Slackware potential restructuring

onebuck · 07-29-2018, 07:51 AM

Hi,

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Originally Posted by lonestar_italy

Most Slackware users aren't even aware that LQ forum exists, that Patrick writes/reads in it and that sometimes some relevant decisions related to the distribution are taken in it.

Me myself, I use Slackware since 1997 and I randomly discovered LQ forum in 2010, just because I was looking for some help, and then I noticed a post by volkerdi and so I realized that he posts here.

If you want a statistic that can be considered significant of the opinion of most Slackware users you should begin with announcing it on the official website and in the changelog.
Or, at least, post on the official website for addressing people to LQ Forum.

You probably missed it on the Slackware home page;

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Thanks to the Slackware team for all the hard work getting 14.2 ready for action! And of course, thanks to all the open source developers upstream, and to the Slackware community on linuxquestions.org for all the help with bug reports, suggestions, and patches. We couldn't have done it without you.
Enjoy the new stable release!
Pat and the Slackware crew

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!

onebuck · 07-29-2018, 08:02 AM

Hi,

I have read this whole thread and all I see are members who are critics. The decision is for PV and support from Alien Bob will be weighed to continued support for KDE & KDE Plasma5. Personally, I use KDE and have tried Eric's https://slackware.nl/slackware-live/...a5-current.iso and that is a jewel from all the hard work. Much appreciated!

I really see none of the critics in this thread making major contributions other than trying to stir the pot. Keep your fingers out, the chef's are baking it already and will release the next great Slackware when the cake is done.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!

orbea · 07-29-2018, 08:25 AM

Can you do me two favors? Can you qualify your statements? Vague criticisms don't help anyone and just makes you seem guilty of what you are criticizing... Two, can you drop your signature? It doesn't help, its not fun and its not enjoyable. The only thing it accomplishes especially in this context is making you seem insincere.

onebuck · 07-29-2018, 08:34 AM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by orbea

Can you do me two favors? Can you qualify your statements? Vague criticisms don't help anyone and just makes you seem guilty of what you are criticizing... Two, can you drop your signature? It doesn't help, its not fun and its not enjoyable. The only thing it accomplishes especially in this context is making you seem insincere.

No, As I said nothing but critics! My sig will remain.
Have fun & enjoy!

kikinovak · 07-29-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by onebuck

I really see none of the critics in this thread making major contributions other than trying to stir the pot. Keep your fingers out, the chef's are baking it already and will release the next great Slackware when the cake is done.

The heresy of asking questions and - God forbid - making suggestions has always caused raised eyebrows among ultras.

lonestar_italy · 07-29-2018, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by onebuck

Hi,
You probably missed it on the Slackware home page; Hope this helps.

It's actually also in the Support link in sidemenu. My bad. I haven't checked those things in long time and just assumed that it was all how I remember it.
Sorry.

mralk3 · 07-29-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

If I may be so bold, I'd like to ask a blunt question. Or rather, two blunt questions. First, what is Slackware's focus today? And what is its target audience? I know the answer, because Patrick has very eloquently answered it here a few years back. But is this really the answer?

[..snip..]

Find that niche. Find that need that Slackware is the answer to. And then stick to it.

Great points. It seems that most people use Slackware for its UNIX-like properties. KDE 4 supported those goals. I do not think KDE 5 is very UNIX-like. Version 5 looks a hell of a lot like Windows 10 IMHO. I haven't used Windows 10 yet so it is difficult to really be certain. I am working off of screen shots and videos I saw after a quick web search.

adunr · 07-29-2018, 10:54 AM

Plasma 5 is just as customizable as KDE 4. The default settings are more or less Windows 10-like because that's what designers think it's cool nowadays but it takes less than 10 clicks to make it look like KDE 4.

jakedp · 07-29-2018, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbell

And that's about as scientific as polling gets I reckon.

Sarcasm aside, I think the notion of dropping KDE from Slackware is--er--less than well thought out. Whether or not one uses KDE as a desktop environment, the KDE suite of applications is at the core of Slackware.

I may not use KDE on Slackware very often, but I do use it from time to time, and I use KDE applications daily; I also use KDE on Debian (Plasma) and on Mageia regularly. KDE is a fine piece of work.

XFCE is an okay desktop, but its applications do not stand up to KDE applications any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

And FVWM? Don't make me laugh.

Furrfu.

FVWM can still do what XFCE and KDE cannot do!

jakedp · 07-29-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader

I have a great respect for Eric Hameleers and I believe he's a great packages builder, even in his Plasma5 builds I believe that he done a brilliant job.

However, I consider that Plasma5 as software itself as being an uber-bloated abomination.

And I strongly believe that there is no need for us to transform the Slackware in Plasmaware even from a vague marketing point, because there's already their own dedicated distribution: KDE NEON https://neon.kde.org/

Yes, we know your opinion. Over and over and over, and most of it has been proven false over and over and over...

KDE Neon was started after the lead and founder of Kubuntu left. It is a KDE testbed on top of Ubuntu, because long time developers of Ubuntu have proven to not be able to adjust to anything else (tongue in cheek). It is not in anyways similar to the ideas of a stable distro. It is to showcase the latest and greatest KDE, not meant as a real distro. Propagandists do not have time though to read.

Alien Bob · 07-29-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mralk3

Great points. It seems that most people use Slackware for its UNIX-like properties. KDE 4 supported those goals. I do not think KDE 5 is very UNIX-like. Version 5 looks a hell of a lot like Windows 10 IMHO. I haven't used Windows 10 yet so it is difficult to really be certain. I am working off of screen shots and videos I saw after a quick web search.

That's kind of funny. I seriously disliked KDE 3 because it tried too much to be Windows XP. Then came KDE 4 which showed an independent design for a modern desktop. And in my opinion Plasma 5 has again set a new milestone for user interface design. Yes, KDE 4 had similarities to Windows 7 just as Plasma 5 shows some similarities to Windows 10. But then again, the design guidelines used by the KDE Plasma developers, the Microsoft Windows developers, and the Google ChromeOS and Android developers always have had similarities. It's a simple evolution of what people consider a "modern" design, and that makes some form of convergence almost inevitable.

I use Windows 7 and Windows 10 daily, as well as Slackware-current with Plasma5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 and 7 with their Gnome desktops. I can tell you from experience, that Plasma 5 is not at all like Windows 10. Give me Plasma 5 anytime! The similarities are only very superficial and on the outside. Windows 10 bogs you down whereas Slackware with KDE software empowers you.

RadicalDreamer · 07-29-2018, 11:06 AM

I doubt the statistics are representative. OpenArena gets confused with multiple monitors so lets solve this in Warsow: https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/games/warsow/

I have a feeling that onebuck wants to take us all on in the arena!

jakedp · 07-29-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mralk3

Great points. It seems that most people use Slackware for its UNIX-like properties. KDE 4 supported those goals. I do not think KDE 5 is very UNIX-like. Version 5 looks a hell of a lot like Windows 10 IMHO. I haven't used Windows 10 yet so it is difficult to really be certain. I am working off of screen shots and videos I saw after a quick web search.

Breaking functionality into reusable and small components that are doing one job is not Unix-like?

You can make it CDE, Mac, Win like or create your own look. We are stuck with the Taskbar paradigm. *shrug* Hence why the default looks kinda, sort of, like win10.

a4z · 07-29-2018, 11:15 AM

Why do we have 2 KDE 5 threads now?
this and that
?
(event if this has a different topic title, it seems to be just KDE5)

is not one place enough?

Poprocks · 07-29-2018, 11:18 AM

The only thing Plasma5 looks like to me is a cleaner KDE4. I don't see how it's at all like Windows 10. There is no Metro interface for one.