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Pat and the team should include KDE if they want. They do the work -- they decide.
Regarding any so-called restructuring, I saw nothing in Pat's recents posts to indicate any such move other than chatting out loud with respect to compilation times and reorganizing the package series.
Eric pre-tests the Hell out of KDE long before Pat pushes packages into the package tree. That partnership has worked well for many years and I suspect will continue to do so. The two of them will resolve any so-called restructuring or reorganization.
The only significant restructuring I see is ensuring Pat is financially stable so he can obtain necessary hardware to help him work efficiently. Working efficiently means being able to spend time with family and friends and not just catering to a bunch of propeller heads.
Pat humbly reached out to the community. The immediate goal of everybody should be providing him space and time to breath. If he deems any so-called restructuring worth discussing publicly then I am sure he will post something.
That's kind of funny. I seriously disliked KDE 3 because it tried too much to be Windows XP. Then came KDE 4 which showed an independent design for a modern desktop. And in my opinion Plasma 5 has again set a new milestone for user interface design. Yes, KDE 4 had similarities to Windows 7 just as Plasma 5 shows some similarities to Windows 10. But then again, the design guidelines used by the KDE Plasma developers, the Microsoft Windows developers, and the Google ChromeOS and Android developers always have had similarities. It's a simple evolution of what people consider a "modern" design, and that makes some form of convergence almost inevitable.
I use Windows 7 and Windows 10 daily, as well as Slackware-current with Plasma5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 and 7 with their Gnome desktops. I can tell you from experience, that Plasma 5 is not at all like Windows 10. Give me Plasma 5 anytime! The similarities are only very superficial and on the outside. Windows 10 bogs you down whereas Slackware with KDE software empowers you.
I can see your point. I recently installed Fedora 28 and GNOME 3.28 is weird compared to most other OS interfaces. I had not used GNOME since 2014 when I was still running Debian. GNOME is very sluggish and uses a lot of system resources. I have 16GB of RAM and was writing to swap in no time (with GNOME) with a few things open + a couple VMs. KDE 5 uses a lot less resources than KDE 4 does in my own experiences. I wiped GNOME out and installed Xfce after only a few days. I am installing going to install KDE Plasma 5 on both Slackware and Fedora to see the similarities between your KDE build compared to what Fedora ships.
I can see your point. I recently installed Fedora 28 and GNOME 3.28 is weird compared to most other OS interfaces. I had not used GNOME since 2014 when I was still running Debian. GNOME is very sluggish and uses a lot of system resources. I have 16GB of RAM and was writing to swap in no time (with GNOME) with a few things open + a couple VMs. KDE 5 uses a lot less resources than KDE 4 does in my own experiences. I wiped GNOME out and installed Xfce after only a few days. I am installing going to install KDE Plasma 5 on both Slackware and Fedora to see the similarities between your KDE build compared to what Fedora ships.
There's no way Gnome uses that much memory normally. It is more or less comparable to Plasma 5 (and yes, I use it daily at work). There must have been something wrong with your system.
Not really. Fine here, I have broad shoulders and a reconditioned spine so I can hold my own.
Must get back on topic. Sorry if my posts cause some drift but I do have an opinion and the right to post as per LQ Rules
Hope this helps.
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I'm kidding with you. I think this topic (Plasma 5) should be banned like systemd for the time being. There isn't anything left to be said. Do broad shoulders help with moving a mouse?
There's no way Gnome uses that much memory normally. It is more or less comparable to Plasma 5 (and yes, I use it daily at work). There must have been something wrong with your system.
Just yesterday I tested this on a vanilla CentOS 7 installation. Running desktop with only one open terminal application.
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There's no way Gnome uses that much memory normally. It is more or less comparable to Plasma 5 (and yes, I use it daily at work). There must have been something wrong with your system.
Gnome has many problems, especially a nasty memory leak that keeps getting kicked down the road. KDE is becoming more efficient, Xfce is still lean and mean, while Gnome needs to go to over-eaters anonymous or have some kind of intervention. How in the world can a DE get stripped of more and more features and continue to grow in size? This must be some kind of government funded project....
Gnome has many problems, especially a nasty memory leak that keeps getting kicked down the road. KDE is becoming more efficient, Xfce is still lean and mean, while Gnome needs to go to over-eaters anonymous or have some kind of intervention. How in the world can a DE get stripped of more and more features and continue to grow in size? This must be some kind of government funded project....
Which version? I've never run across a memory leak on 3.22, which we have at work, and I leave it on for months at a time. I honestly don't mind Gnome that much. 90% of what I do is from the command line anyway, and it gets out of the way enough to not hinder that. It's not my first choice, but it's fine. It's much better than that Unity abomination Ubuntu used to have.
"Well known GNOME developer Georges Stavracas has provided an update on the matter and confirmed that the issue stems from GJS - the GNOME JavaScript component - with the garbage collection process not being fired off as it should."
I also noticed that if I launch GNOME using an Xorg session instead of Wayland, I use ~250MB less RAM out the door. So it's a great thing that Slackware doesn't include GNOME.
That said I was wondering what is your opinion on the KDE matter given that the amount of work Patrick has to do has increased a lot.
Would you mind if Patrick decided to remove the KDE from the core system and keep it lean?
Personally, I don't use KDE at all. I do use apps that require Qt5. I personally would be happy to get an up-to-date Qt5 and dump KDE4. I realize some folks do like KDE, so the final decision, as it should be, is in Pat's hands.
..As far as Slackware 15.0 goes, I've been testing PAM and Kerberos here and have given quite some thought to trying to get them merged (or at least in /testing) so that we can have proper support for Active Directory and NFS. Plasma 5 has been a consideration as well, although frankly it's grown much larger than GNOME was back when I decided that should be spun off for third party maintenance. If that's going in, we really need to analyze which dependencies would not be used outside of Plasma and stick all of those in the KDE series. I'm as tired of the pollution of the L series as the rest of you are.
Any restructuring at hand is described here. For one thing, it would equally suit pro and contra KDe-ers, the latter just not installing the KDE(i) series and complement some lost but needed functionality from SBo. That already works, at least for me.
Any restructuring at hand is described here. For one thing, it would equally suit pro and contra KDe-ers, the latter just not installing the KDE(i) series and complement some lost but needed functionality from SBo. That already works, at least for me.
Yes but in order for that conversation to really happen, we sort of need a decision from Pat and the team as to whether Plasma5 will be included at all. I'm thinking that's why so much of the dialogue is focused on that issue at the present time.
Also the conversation about which libs to split is not a particularly difficult one. If it's provided by the kde project, it should probably be split, IMO. The main apps I can think of that would use those libs outside of the KDE project would be 3rd party apps *for* KDE, and folks wanting to install those should probably have KDE installed anyway (or a custom package set, and know what they are doing).
Well, I can't argue with that except to say that either it doesn't happen on the Gnome Shell systems I've used or it's not severe enough to show up within a few months of use.
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