The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by jamison20000e {...}We stereotype, it's Human Nature...{...}

But growing out of those stereotypes is also human nature.

But still noone has replied why nowaday people not have SAME choice Adam and Eve had but with added info by learning from others before making choice. Outcome would be different.

Adam and Eve as you speak did not exist but single celled organisms still do... again, children's books made for adults,,, spend some cash on it* why don't you‽

Guess what else we can still watch those single cells evolve, in front of our own eyes!!!

Religions and cancer not much different...

In that case explain Matrix pill symbolic meaning. Blue pill is staying in reality and red pill is also staying in reality? Those discussions not make much sense..

Originally Posted by Arcane But growing out of those stereotypes is also human nature.

Depends on the human - some never do. Is that because "god" wants that? Or is that the "devil" speaking?

But still noone has replied why nowaday people not have SAME choice Adam and Eve had but with added info by learning from others before making choice. Outcome would be different.

Maybe because nowadays Adam and Steve come along? They've made their choice, same as Eve and her girlfriend did...

^ROTFL... not that there's anything wrong with that...


Pills are drugs, (or tracer programs) like the human brain runs on and may like the Amazon original film shows, Hannah make you believe in anything even as reality?

Evolution happens whether we help it or not.

I'm all for a curve in the population boom as long as I don't have to "believe" their born that way... accepting that others may "believe" that is better than believing you should kill someone in someone's name?

Some religious folk chimed in when I liked a girl from Inked magazine, she was covered neck to toe in tattoos this seems like racism to me even though not against skin color but skin ink‽

Religion can be a burden...

Originally Posted by hazel Yes, China has many religions. But it isn't China that persecutes religious people, the Chinese government does. And they are militant atheists.

I don't know about other purges but it seems the Falong Gong purge was politically motivated, not religious or anti-religious. They just got too big and were seen as a political threat. It seems Communism doesn't mind a little "opiate of the masses" but they don't want a whole nation of "junkies"... especially organized junkies.

As a fellow atheist, I find it very disappointing how some of you are doing the exact same thing you're fighting against, but worse.

Don't call people "stupid" for having a different believe. It's not helping your/any case.

But; two hundred years from now when more comes to light, we'll still be stupid becaus four hundred years then more change... don't exclude ourselves‽

Or; just change the word stupid to mean,,, how sick is that...

Any can believe their smart but then like an anamal have babies.

Originally Posted by jens As a fellow atheist, I find it very disappointing how some of you are doing the exact same thing you're fighting against, but worse. Don't call people "stupid" for having a different believe. It's not helping your/any case.

Precisely. I don't understand why atheism and neutral discussions always tends to attack religious beliefs when opposite direction POVs are presented despite usually claiming they are more rational and without BIAS. Like this article which supports my posts about Adam and Eve story. We all have different beliefs, life story experience background, capabilities etc. Without knowing it we can't judge(smart or dumb for example) posters but only argue against opinions. Guess agnostics are also partially atheist but without ignoring reality that might be different from what was|is expect(ed).

Originally Posted by Trihexagonal {...} what if I told you I had a similar experience but would not define it as a religious experience from God? {...} I said before I talk to God and that He never answers but I know He's listening. I also said I never talk to the Devil but when he talks I listen. I have never heard a voice out of thin air speak to me before in my life and have never heard one since. {...} I'm a Christian but not a very good one, though I have ultimate faith and trust in God. I never was any good at turning the other cheek and am more of a Heretic than a good Christian. {...} I'm making a confession but don't mistake me for Arcane. He's much nicer than I am.{...}

I have similar story to tell but not about fighting(cause pacifistic)(for this reason nicer cause did not acquire killer instinct yet). More like getting accused of not being normal oriented often(which is stupid and dumb assumption to begin with). I dunno if it makes me sinner or saint or neutral but there was something that did not want to go away until i replied. In my case it was related to lust(never was good at completely resisting influence)(matthew 5:28). It does not cancel my post about choice difference. If i or other nowaday people with enough IQ would get clear and direct one time(like Adam and Eve did) choice from actual authority that gives choice either to eat or not eat fruit for example i would also not eat it. But in my and Trihexagonal situations it is like force-given-tail that would not go away for a lot of days until response is given. Basicaly it is either death or suffering|torture till death or action that fits. That is not same type choice what was offered to Adam and Eve but result is similar direction..

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Any can believe their smart but then like an anamal have babies.

What does IQ have to do with newborns? It has nothing to do with childbearing. Rape|trickery|force does not count because victim is unaware|unfair_fight just like kids not know what adults know so can be lured into trap with ease.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e But; two hundred years from now when more comes to light, we'll still be stupid becaus four hundred years then more change... don't exclude ourselves‽

200 Years? There's actually a huge problem with that. Even light is finite.
Most scientists agree that it might take less than 30 years till we can't study what we're currenty seeing anymore as everything keeps expanding at a very high speed.

Slightly off topic, but since you're very outspoken on this subject, what's your vieuw on Polytheism (note that all philosophical dictionaries make a clear distinguish between deism and theism)? Does that even fit in your model?

Originally Posted by jens As a fellow atheist, I find it very disappointing how some of you are doing the exact same thing you're fighting against, but worse. Don't call people "stupid" for having a different believe. It's not helping your/any case.

If I'm one of "those people" you're referring to; I'm not one of your "fellow atheists" since an "atheist" is someone who believes there is no "god". I DO believe there would likely be something "higher" then us mere mortals, a "higher power" if you will.

But that doesn't mean it's wise to believe you understand something that is beyond any and all human comprehension - so it's pretty rich to think someone [a human] could honestly write a book about something they couldn't possibly understand to begin with. There's a term for that: "delusional".

PS: I for one wasn't calling anyone "stupid" - I think "misguided" would be a better word...