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Old 02-23-2018, 01:31 AM   #8116
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LOL still "here" in concrete land are we? We can't see air either sundial ol' buddy but it is hardly speculation that it exists. We can't see bacteria and viruses either but while it took centuries we did get evidence that makes that just a wee bit more than speculation, don't you think?. As for Higgs I have to ask if you could manage to throw dice over 6,000,000 times and 5,999,900 times they came up Snake Eyes, would it be speculation to conclude the dice were weighted, magnetized or really sticky?

Incidentally regarding the all too human tendency to have biased expectations for experimental results, thankfully the Scientific Method has evolved to where that is quite self-correcting. It started perhaps when one of Noah's family said "That doesn't look like exactly 30 cubits to me, Dad" and the only way to settle it was to measure it with a standardized measuring device.

On a much more demonstrative (and more serious) scale is the fairly recent event wherin a number of astronomers did a major (and cross-checked) study for a really accurate measurement of the exact speed at which the Universe is expanding. Because of Big Bang it was universally expected (no pun intended) that they would see how much the expansion is slowing down after nearly 14,000,000,000 years. To their complete shock, which caused a flurry of additional testing and widespread efforts to "poison the data" before long it was necessary to drop the preconceived notion and accept that it is speeding up which required a completely hitherto unknown force to make that happen. That resulted in precise measurements of how much there would have to be of whatever it was to produce the observed results and take the humbling slap in the face that we can currently perceive only about 10% of what energy and matter populate our Universe. It is worthy of note that such a devastating discovery nobody wanted to accept was finally accepted nevertheless. Science views mistakes and failure as part of the learning process. It is not feared nor avoided just because it's inconvenient to human sensibilities.

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