The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Kind of wish I had kids now, we could teach them to be crazy...

They are what we learn!!!

Making some of us evolve faster than others‽‽‽


Add: A broken record skips and faith has nothing to prove but what ifs.

You want to know where we came from, a forest of stars. Go plant a tree, be a god at least then you'd have my admiration.

jamison2000e - Have you ever read Paul Goodman's book, Growing Up Absurd ? I think you would very much enjoy if you have yet to check it out.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Kind of wish I had kids now, we could teach them to be crazy... They are what we learn!!! Making some of us evolve faster than others‽‽‽ Add: A broken record skips and faith has nothing to prove but what ifs. You want to know where we came from, a forest of stars. Go plant a tree, be a god at least then you'd have my admiration.

What newborns have to do with anything?

True. We are what we become over time and childhood influences as most.

How?

Maybe.

Yes i do want to know where humanity and world comes from and where we are going. So if i won't plant tree and won't be god then my opinions not matter? Even if they are valid? Hypocritical rules.

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}Paul Goodman's book, Growing Up Absurd ?{...}

Is it good book? Also for the record : even books contain misinformation and lies often not just internet.
But if you would pay attention you would notice my first post and nothing has changed..when it comes to higher powers in general i do believe but when it comes to God|Satan i can't 100% say that cause too much sideinformation..also i was informed, by some also older people, that Earth is ruled by some being who wants humanity enslaved so not care about our ascension|unblocking of DNA.

Originally Posted by Arcane Is it good book? Also for the record : even books contain misinformation and lies often not just internet. But if you would pay attention you would notice my first post and nothing has changed..when it comes to higher powers in general i do believe but when it comes to God|Satan i can't 100% say that cause too much sideinformation..also i was informed, by some also older people, that Earth is ruled by some being who wants humanity enslaved so not care about our ascension|unblocking of DNA.

Well, since you already consider the possibility, even likelihood, that kids get considerable misinformation from their parents (and other Nature and Nurture sources) then the book is great since it identifies specifically how such things occur, how often many are contradictory yet we somehow, both as offspring and as parents, "manage" to hold both sides of a contradiction valid, and by identifying how this happens some good clues as to how to go about routing them out in ourselves as well as improving parental consistency. Yeah, it's an excellent read.

So, if there were no god$* there'd be nothing? Or, if nothing but godSSS* their just bord so, "hay let's plant some plants?" Let me take that out of the lines for you: We are taught* to want answers*! Just like there's a $ucker born every second until we evolve that!

My agnostic (thus scientific) question, that doesn't need answers: stars, planets and all: have always come n gone like trees &pee!



Book looks good, will see; hope you all read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad!" Perspectives...

If some groups believe in some gods and other groups believe in other gods and still more-other fairy tales,,, why not on the same page? I wonder times 7.some billion but that's one of those questions that religion/politics will never answer! If Superman were truly real we'd all believe it, just like we all believe in potatoes!

"You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time" --Bob Marley

Why so many believe in this, that or the other: cuz there's lots of seconds in a time...

What: nothing to say to that, Arcane or religious types, did you die?

Haven't looked too deep at the book yet but have yous seen, Awkward?

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Haven't looked too deep at the book yet but have yous seen, Awkward?

Assuming you meant me, I am aware of the show and it's perennial plot, have seen a few trailers and have read that it's done well but I figure that's par for the course since everyone experiences awkwardness during puberty and the transition from the regimented, intense peer group community of school to being essentially out there on your own with a progressively dwindling circle of friends and enemies. Making movies about it is so natural, and somewhat prescribed, that numerous spinoffs have been made in every genre possible. It also is a great launchpad for stars in the making.

I have read that Awkward is basically serious and even occasionally deep with just a twist of humour to offset actual pain, and that sounds like a good thing. Is it that you think it characterizes the compulsion of peer pressure particularly well that you mention it here in "Faith and Religion" ?

Life for most is faith and religion, until it's not. As babies were more like primitive humans, back when every human was primitive they probably all prayed to the Sun* but then there's evolution: physical and mental.

Good show and yes all of the above.

Let's see now... What can I possibly say to top the last story I told, alienate more people, decimate any remnant of a reputation I used to have in the community and draw the ire of rude and condescending posters who think arrogance is a good personality trait?

Originally Posted by hazel All right, let's make it more concrete. Suppose one day you had (quite unexpectedly) an overwhelming religious experience, something like Paul's experience on the road to Damascus. Would you simply conclude that it had to be illusory and continue on your merry way? Or would you feel the need to integrate it somehow into your life?

Originally Posted by enorbet Not exactly... somewhere in between. I would conclude it had to be illusory but I would be compelled to understand how and why that happened. I would be genuinely concerned with the state of my health and would need to know if it was a one-time thing from, say, having ingested something causing such a reaction or if it was some more or less permanent condition. Since you brought up Paul, that he was apparently blind and didn't eat nor sleep for days, if I had such an event of such an extreme nature , I would be very concerned and worried and seek medical aid. I most certainly would not "continue on my merry way". With that internal experience (Paul's friends saw nothing) there is no way I would consider that valid evidence of external affairs. It would take a lot more than a flash of light and a voice in my head to conclude "Yup. There must be a SuperNatural Creator of the Universe and everything in it, including me"

enorbet, what if I told you I had a similar experience but would not define it as a religious experience from God? That keeping in mind I have 9 years experience in the Mental health field, know magical thinking is a sign of mental illness, that Schizophrenics are prone to religious experiences and admitting to hearing a disembodied voice is not something I would advise. I would never do that if it weren't true and probably not then if I cared what people thought. Unless I was confessing my sins.

In the 90's my oldest friend who I had known since I was 8 years old did me wrong in a big way and I still suffer the consequences to this day. I tried to catch him for 2 years, monitored his cordless phone conversations from my home a couple blocks away and every night I had dreams of choking him out, letting him regain consciousness then chocking him out again. I wanted to hurt him bad and wanted to do it in the worst way but he kept giving me the slip. It consumed me and I would have done anything to get my hands on him with bad intent.

Then one night I was sitting at home alone watching Monday Night Raw and had been for about an hour. I had already quit drinking and didn't have the money to buy weed or any other mind altering substance. I was doing good if I could afford a bottle of Mt. Dew a day as a treat at the time.

All of a sudden out of thin air it was like someone whispered in my ear "If you get up now and start walking you can catch him walking home from work". I stood up without hesitation or any question and started out the door as instructed. My house was on one side of an alley and next door there was a #1 pool ball the neighbor girl had been rubbing on the sidewalk laying there that looked like it would come in handy so I picked it up and put it in my hoodie pocket.

I knew which way to walk because I knew where but not when he worked from monitoring his calls. After walking about 6 blocks there he was walking on the same side of the street toward me just like it said. When he got closer to me he stepped off the sidewalk to give me room and I stepped to cut him off. He was maybe 15 feet away from me before he realized who I was and tried to run but after trying to catch him for 2 years there was no way he was getting away from me and we started to fight.

I still had the pool ball in my pocket and was holding it with my right hand and fighting with my left. When I saw my chance I bent over, came up in full pitch draw and flung that pool ball 10-12 feet directly toward his mouth with everything I had. He barely had time to turn his head to keep it hitting him in the mouth but it hit him where his jawbone joint hinges on the right side of his face. He had TMJ too so that was still a good hit and down he went. It bounced off his jaw with a thud and traveled at least 3 times as far as I threw it.

I was crawling up on his chest and just getting ready to start choking the life out of him when his little girly screams of "Help! Help! Call the police" snapped me back to reality. Cars were slowing down, a guy was standing there watching and I had already committed a felony by hitting him with the pool ball. I thought I'm going to jail if the cops come so I let him up and still remember the look on his face because he knew he was on the brink of death and couldn't believe I let him up.

I took off running and was gone in a flash. He stumbled to a friends house and was told collapsed on the couch holding his jaw. He said he was going to call the police but our mutual friend convinced him not to. I went back the next morning and retrieved my pool ball so it couldn't be used as evidence.

I will say I felt a lot better about things and enjoyed it to the extreme, but it didn't change what he had done to me. The rage and anger I had been living on the past 2 years was eating me up so I had to make peace with myself and let it go.

Now God wouldn't have told me something like that because it was devils work I was intent on. I don't think I rate a visit from Iblis but have some reason to believe it was a lower entity I had attracted 8-10 years before that never left. But enough about that.

I said before I talk to God and that He never answers but I know He's listening. I also said I never talk to the Devil but when he talks I listen.

I have never heard a voice out of thin air speak to me before in my life and have never heard one since.


I'm a Christian but not a very good one, though I have ultimate faith and trust in God. I never was any good at turning the other cheek and am more of a Heretic than a good Christian.

The last time I went to church with my sister and her hubby the preacher inferred I tried to steal a mans wife in the sermon. She was the one who came over and stood by me. I looked up and there she was standing next to me with husband trying to get her back to their pew. All I did was ask if she was alright when she slipped on the stairs and pour her a glass of fruit juice when I was getting one. I hear they're no longer together so maybe I will.

My first wife practiced witchcraft but never told me about it. I didn't find out till after I divorced her. She did at times claim to have powers. She claimed to have lost her wedding ring. I woke up one morning and first thing told her I had a dream she sold it for $13.

She took a half breath like a gasp I suppose and I still remember the look of shock on her face. I knew I was right. When I divorced her I went to the jewelers to sell mine and they only offered me $16 for the weight of the gold. Now mine was larger than hers so if mine was worth $16 hers was probably worth $13. I've only had one other dream like that and it was true too, but it's not something that happens all the time or anything.

I dated a girl who was a witch after that and didn't try to hide it. She would get up every morning and get a lemon out of the fridge, a sharp knife from the drawer and cut off thin slices while she thought of the people she hated. I wanted a School of metaphysics shirt she had so she gave it to me. The next ti
me I saw her she asked me if I felt any different when I wore that shirt. I told her "Just hot." That it was a a hot freaking poly blend shirt and she didn't have enough personal power to cast a spell on me.

After that I dated a girl who had a bookcase in her front room with a curtain placed over the front so you couldn't see the books. I never tripped on it but was told later every one of them were witchcraft books of some sort and she had been seen dancing nakey in the woods at a pagan gathering with my first wife! The Horror... The Horror...

I have always been interested in Tarot cards and when I taught Demonica to use them I had to study each one so she would know the correct meaning, draw a card at random during a lull in conversation and "tell your fortune" as part of her skillset. So I decided buy a deck of my own. I collect Russian memorabilia and found a Russian deck called the Tarot of Shadows that is about as evil as they come. Each card has a pentagram and goat on one side. I can't read Cyrillic so I bought the English version that had a nice book with it.

I signed up for a course at a forum but not one person welcomed me except a Mod who was gung-ho about learning the deck and took me on in as his student in a Tutorial Program they ran there. That lasted one lesson and he dropped me like a hot potato with no explanation. Maybe if I had called myself something else. I used an old name for the first time in 20 years that fit well and probably should have called myself something not so ominous.

I've tried it on my own a couple times and don't need their help but I am too open to that kind of thing and don't fiddle with it. I already have enough to answer for. I never ask for anything in prayer but forgiveness. I have been sorely tempted to pull out all the stops and go where I've never gone to get even with the Security Guard where I live. The rules are working for me now but if I get started I won't stop with him and everybody involved with the situation can't suffer enough to suit me.

I'm making a confession but don't mistake me for Arcane. He's much nicer than I am. I know you won't enorbet and am not directing that toward you. I won't respond to disrespect or continue reading once I see where it's going. I respect everyones right to their opinions and haven't trashed or argued with anyone. I related a real life incident. Take it or leave it.

More likely I'll initially consider reacting something like Puri in the movie I linked to but probably just put them in the same box as Teddy Bear. All bets are off once I get started and I haven't forgotten how he addressed me either.

But, only you can prevent forest fires... there's another one.

Originally Posted by Trihexagonal {...}I'm making a confession but don't mistake me for Arcane. He's much nicer than I am.{...}

Not really. Only reason why i am nicer is because i haven't yet killed anyone in real life. So i am still somewhat clean from insulting holy book at least 1 commandment. You know..in movies it is shown that as long as trigger is not pulled with consent and first kill is not done and went through any human being is in a state of half-grace-naivness like newborns but grown up and only after they cross that line they have "killer" eyes and mindset or w/e it is called. I have sinned otherways but only because this world forces to sin. At least i don't know how to live on this planet without sin.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e But, only you can prevent forest fires... there's another one.

Ironic quote because rumors have it 21.12.2012. was about Prophecy of Fire which also supports why Firefox logo is fire over Earth..

Lions 'n Tigers 'n Bears...Oh My!

Originally Posted by enorbet Lions 'n Tigers 'n Bears...Oh My!

They don't go to "heaven" according to a crazy ass book but if eating antelope, deer, fish even plants,,, perhaps they already are? Until we kill them all off or make them slaves in zoos* can't have evolution without regressing‽
Cha Cha Cha

Originally Posted by jamison20000e So, if there were no god$* there'd be nothing? Or, if nothing but godSSS* their just bord so, "hay let's plant some plants?" Let me take that out of the lines for you: We are taught* to want answers*! Just like there's a $ucker born every second until we evolve that! My agnostic (thus scientific) question, that doesn't need answers: stars, planets and all: have always come n gone like trees &pee! Book looks good, will see; hope you all read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad!" Perspectives...

Originally Posted by jamison20000e If some groups believe in some gods and other groups believe in other gods and still more-other fairy tales,,, why not on the same page? I wonder times 7.some billion but that's one of those questions that religion/politics will never answer! If Superman were truly real we'd all believe it, just like we all believe in potatoes! "You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time" --Bob Marley Why so many believe in this, that or the other: cuz there's lots of seconds in a time...

Originally Posted by jamison20000e What: nothing to say to that, Arcane or religious types, did you die?

Don't need answers here I mean we totally need answers...