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Distribution: Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu
Posts: 13,602
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Originally Posted by jeremy
Also note, moving forward: clicking "No" in the helpful system will not have any impact on the rep system. You'll need to manually and explicitly down rep a member if you intend to do so. This is more in line with the direction we'd like to see the system being used in. Thanks again for the continued feedback.
I've retroactively removed all rep's created by "No" votes from the system.
--jeremy
Click here to see the post LQ members have rated as the most helpful post in this thread.
Distribution: Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu
Posts: 13,602
Original Poster
Rep:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy
A couple things to keep in mind.
* Right now, down reps account for less than 4% of the reps.
* We're actively monitoring for abuses, misuses and loopholes in the system.
* The feature has mostly stabilized now but will be in BETA for some non-trivial amount of time. During that period we will evaluate how it impacts participation and community. During that time we may make some tweaks or changes to address issues that come up. If during the BETA period we decide the feature is not impacting the site positively or is going in a direction we will is unsustainable or unhealthy, we'll disable it.
A quick update on this now that "No" helpful votes have been removed. The rep system has been used almost 1,000 times already. Roughly 2% of those uses have been negative.
OT/BTW, I believe I've asked about this before but could hitting 'quote' please include nested quoted material? For instance, on this post, hitting 'quote' produces 'done' which is meaningless and I have to manually copy'n'paste what is done and wrap quote tags around it. This issue comes up for me frequently. I get that people would then need to trim quotes if it got unnecessarily nested but then others could down-rep them if they don't. Or maybe provide options for 'quote' and 'full quote'.
@mostlyharmless
I agree, this new Rep system isn't as "In Your Face" as the Ubuntu forums 'beans' thing (which is explicitly why I do NOT hang out there).
I'm really digging the Rep thing, although I probably would have called it "Karma" or "LQ-ness". "Reputation" is fitting, but just barely (to me).
@slakmagik
O/T: See, that's what I'm talking about, nested quoting wouldn't have butchered your response to me
Distribution: Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu
Posts: 13,602
Original Poster
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Just wanted to post an update on how the system was actually being used, now that we have roughly a week of data to look at.
* The system has been used almost 1,000 times so far.
* Negative reps account for ~2% of that usage.
* Over 300 different members have been repped.
* The member who has received the second most positive rep actually has the system disabled.
* The numbers clearly show that the concern that members who target new members would not be fairly repped are unfounded (many of the members who explicitly posted that they fell into this group are among the more highly repped, in fact).
* The numbers clearly show that members who are targeting a smaller number of more difficult questions are also being fairly repped.
[It should be noted that the system was explicitly designed to account for both of the above cases, along with cases that fall between those two extremes, and it's good to see that this is being verified by actual usage).
I hope the above helps to allay some fears that the system was somehow 1) unfair to certain members, 2) would be abused and 3) would be heavily skewed to the negative. The system isn't perfect but I think the changes made as a result of this thread and the ability to completely opt out of the system have things moving in the correct direction. I'm still open to feedback, suggestions and concerns however, and while the system should be stabilizing now we're still more than willing to make improvements based on empirical data. I'll likely post another stats update when the system has seen ~5,000 uses.
Just wanted to post an update on how the system was actually being used, now that we have roughly a week of data to look at.
* The system has been used almost 1,000 times so far.
* Negative reps account for ~2% of that usage.
* Over 300 different members have been repped.
* The member who has received the second most positive rep actually has the system disabled.
* The numbers clearly show that the concern that members who target new members would not be fairly repped are unfounded (many of the members who explicitly posted that they fell into this group are among the more highly repped, in fact).
* The numbers clearly show that members who are targeting a smaller number of more difficult questions are also being fairly repped.
[It should be noted that the system was explicitly designed to account for both of the above cases, along with cases that fall between those two extremes, and it's good to see that this is being verified by actual usage).
I hope the above helps to allay some fears that the system was somehow 1) unfair to certain members, 2) would be abused and 3) would be heavily skewed to the negative. The system isn't perfect but I think the changes made as a result of this thread and the ability to completely opt out of the system have things moving in the correct direction. I'm still open to feedback, suggestions and concerns however, and while the system should be stabilizing now we're still more than willing to make improvements based on empirical data. I'll likely post another stats update when the system has seen ~5,000 uses.
--jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
Thank you for this update. I have to admit that it looks pretty good indeed and I may be wrong about the abuse and penalty issues I was afraid of. I hope the direction the rep system is going continues on this track.
In the LQ Rep as Percentage thread, there's a post that made me think of another element to this. Should you (jeremy) and the mods take part in this? In a way, I can see everyone being repped so we can make sure the mods aren't getting lazy and all but, from another point of view, mods are kind of automatically repped. Maybe they should just get a gold square as the rep indicator and be done with it? Part of the idea about reps and helpfuls and percentages no matter how it goes relies on people posting X amount of posts and X amount are 'helpful'. Mods post thousands of times and often that includes moving threads or closing threads or dealing with spammers or whatever - for which everybody at LQ thanks them all the time, but not directly through the rep system. I doubt too many spammers are going to say 'Thanks for deleting my spam!'. Just a thought.
Mods are LQ members too and we participate in the boards in exactly the same way as everyone else (if you ignore our additional responsibilities and powers), as well, being a mod is not a job for life and if one of us stepped down it would be nice to not have to either start from scratch or from a ridiculously high score.
Mods are LQ members too and we participate in the boards in exactly the same way as everyone else (if you ignore our additional responsibilities and powers),
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just mean that those responsibilities and powers skew the nature of posts vs. the type of posts non-mods make.
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Originally Posted by XavierP
as well, being a mod is not a job for life and if one of us stepped down it would be nice to not have to either start from scratch or from a ridiculously high score.
Yeah, that's a good point and I probably wasn't clear in what I said. I hadn't really thought through the details but was just figuring mods might be repped like others but it wouldn't be displayed and wouldn't figure into adjusting general counts. IOW, insofar as post counts figure into things, mods are going to get huge numbers and generally mess up any curves when talking about tweaking the system for average users (average in the sense of not making mod-type posts).
But, yeah, pretty half-baked I guess. Like I said, just a thought (or half of one).
Thanks for the update jeremy, it looks like things are going well, so the system is working as it should be. Good job everyone on working out the rules for the system.
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