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Old 09-02-2010, 03:17 PM   #631
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* If you have rep disabled, you will not see any rep information in your UserCP.
Done.

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Old 09-02-2010, 03:19 PM   #632
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OK, an update after some more thought on having more insight into the system.

* I'm going to add a "reputation" tab to your profile which will list some of the recent rep you've received. There will be a link to your post, whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this tab will not appear.
As this would be on a separate tab, could it list all the Rep received?
Would be a nice trade-off, given the move to remove the usernames.
(I will sorely miss that, as I saw it a big plus over the "Thanks" system. Better "Warm Fuzzies".)

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* Clicking the scale in other members posts will include how that post has been repped by other members, including whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this will not appear for your posts.
Sounds great!

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* If you have rep disabled, you will not see any rep information in your UserCP.
Makes sense. So no "Reputation Tab" if you Opt out, right?

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* Moving forward it's *very* possible that opting out will mean that you can not give or receive rep. I have not made a final decision, but I'm leaning this way.
Will the system remember your Reputation & it's metadata, just in case you want to Opt-In again?

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* I've lowered the max amount of rep you can give (again) and also decreased (also again) the rate at which you reach this maximum rep.

--jeremy
*sigh* Reminds back in the day when Blizzard kept releasing "Game Balance" patches to Diablo II...I'm sure it's for a good reason, though.
 
Old 09-02-2010, 03:21 PM   #633
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Would be a nice trade-off, given the move to remove the usernames.
We're not removing them from anywhere they currently are.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 03:22 PM   #634
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Will the system remember your Reputation & it's metadata, just in case you want to Opt-In again?
As I haven't made a decision on this topic I haven't thought much about implementation details, but being able to "flush" your rep simply by disabling it seems like an undesirable feature.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 03:25 PM   #635
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We're not removing them from anywhere they currently are.

--jeremy
No? Cool! I must have misread this part (paraphrased & emphasis added);
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..."reputation" tab to your profile...There will be a link to your post, whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available....
I take it the comment regarding usernames only comes into play when someone is viewing another members "Reputation Tab"?
 
Old 09-02-2010, 03:34 PM   #636
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I've not seen anything regarding post #611 that impacts my opinion on the topic, and that includes whether it's optional or not.

--jeremy
Since your willing to allow the comment then why not giving the option to tagging the comment with the username by commenter? This would reinforce commitment or value of the comment by the user. If that same user is worried that bias or judgment then that is where the mods would step in. Each of us have different ways of communicating but to shield oneself while making a negative or positive comment just doesn't weight the comment.

You are asking those who wish to improve the system too accept the comment +/- as it stands by itself. You might as well disable the comment because the ones who are being rated by someone(whoever) much like the 'Thanks' are to accept/ignore. What's the point then? I would like to know who is and why for either +/- for any rating system. If someone places a score with comment and without identity then the worth is null. So why waste the time to introduce such a system and expect members to help improve the forum(s)?

In my previous post the examples of open presentation with feedback from others should be the way to identify and correct the situation(s). Not make pointed remarks without reinforcements from an unknown author/user.
 
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:41 PM   #637
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I take it the comment regarding usernames only comes into play when someone is viewing another members "Reputation Tab"?
Correct.

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Old 09-02-2010, 03:44 PM   #638
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Since your willing to allow the comment then why not giving the option to tagging the comment with the username by commenter?
I answered this in one of my previous posts, linked again above.

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You are asking those who wish to improve the system too accept the comment +/- as it stands by itself. You might as well disable the comment because the ones who are being rated by someone(whoever) much like the 'Thanks' are to accept/ignore. What's the point then? I would like to know who is and why for either +/- for any rating system. If someone places a score with comment and without identity then the worth is null. So why waste the time to introduce such a system and expect members to help improve the forum(s)?
When someone reps you, you do in fact get the username of the person who left the comment and we have no current plans to change that.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 04:33 PM   #639
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Hi,

@jeremy
I'll re-read.

Probably missed something or it's just not clear.
Mixed heritage has a tendency to cause some issues.

 
Old 09-02-2010, 04:48 PM   #640
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Hi,

I missed some earlier posts. Things are clear now and it does seem the rep & helpful will work in this way.

This thread is getting long and sometimes confusing if you miss a post or two. I'm not the fastest at the keyboard plus add proof reading to that and things do get missed. My apologies if my previous entry(s) misled, misstep or misinformed anyone.

I think things are leading to some improvement to a new system and I'm sure some polish of the system will be necessary. I hope the mod's load won't get to heavy.

 
Old 09-02-2010, 05:26 PM   #641
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* Clicking the scale in other members posts will include how that post has been repped by other members, including whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this will not appear for your posts.
Done.

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Old 09-02-2010, 05:37 PM   #642
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:39 PM   #643
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hmmmm

I am now thinking what is the true benefit of a rep system? (rep = reputation)

Consider this, if interested?

1) OP posts a question and receives one or more replies by persons not able or not opted in to rep system.
Do they now wait for a rep reply before trying out suggestions and requests.

IMHO that is silly

2) OP posts a question....a non-rep and rep answer is given......the OP tries out the rep reply first.

Fair enough.

But why did the rep person answer?

Was the non-rep reply deficient?...Was it asking for more details?.....Was it a time zone issue....and the non-rep person unable to reply to OP's response.....and the rep person could see the OP reply and believe timely advice was ok.

What I am trying to say is....I hope that LQ members....do not ....wait for a rep person to reply.


3) And I repeat another theme.....rep does not indicate experience/expertise in an area......so networking versus laptop sound versus firmware in kernels etc

4) And altho I being aussie ...and not known for always being polite relative to your cultural background....IMHO....posting a reply where someone appears to be already handling the issue...is a form of rudeness.

Therefore if one rep person replies....the other persons might move on?

regards
 
Old 09-02-2010, 05:42 PM   #644
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* I'm going to add a "reputation" tab to your profile which will list some of the recent rep you've received. There will be a link to your post, whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this tab will not appear.
Done. Note that this marks all open items that I can recall as closed. I think the system is significantly better than when we implemented it just a short time ago. I'm still interested in any additional feedback you may have. Thanks again for the patience and willingness to work through us iterating this system. I know this thread has gotten extremely long and at time it's been difficult to keep up with the latest happenings. I anticipate the rep system changing much less moving forward.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 05:48 PM   #645
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* If you have rep disabled, you will not see any rep information in your UserCP.
Done.

--jeremy
I still see the table header with my points, though the individual reps and comments are gone. If we're going to be disabling stuff for opted-out folks, could that also be removed from the UserCP? In fact, I'd prefer - since the scales and whatnot are gone from posts - if the rep blocks are also removed and we only see the usual Registered/Distribution/Posts stuff. I'm not sure I favor removing what has been removed but, if it is going to be, let's do a thorough job of it.

Also, rather than 'Reputation: Disabled', could the tooltip say 'Reputation: Not Applicable' or 'Opted-out' or something - 'disabled' sounds like it might be punitive administration action, like we're really bad news. Though, granted, if you're going to stay 'disabled' yourself[1], I guess it couldn't sound like punishment. But that would depend on new users noticing that, which is unlikely.

OT/BTW, I believe I've asked about this before but could hitting 'quote' please include nested quoted material? For instance, on this post, hitting 'quote' produces 'done' which is meaningless and I have to manually copy'n'paste what is done and wrap quote tags around it. This issue comes up for me frequently. I get that people would then need to trim quotes if it got unnecessarily nested but then others could down-rep them if they don't. Or maybe provide options for 'quote' and 'full quote'.

[1] okay - now you're not showing as disabled - you were for a minute for some reason

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