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Old 09-02-2010, 12:50 PM   #616
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@Jeremy:

I though/assumed, because of post #595, that you already made up your mind about implementing this, which would contradict post #611. Kinda makes me feel a bit better that you seem inclined _not_ to implement it. I had some "interesting" thoughts about me and LQ since reading post #595 (and, hopefully, making the wrong assumption)......

I truly, truly hope you will not implement this public display of wrong-sayers and good-sayers.
 
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Old 09-02-2010, 12:56 PM   #617
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That's not what I meant. There's "no absolute anonymity built into the system" in that you can always see exactly who repped you in both directions.



There's been quite a bit of research into the psychological impact of having to sign your name, and I'm quite confident none of that is applicable in the setting you're describing here, which is the fine line between the person you're repping being able to see it (which means the person most impacted knows exactly who and what) vs. the entire LQ community being able to see it.

--jeremy
Hi,

In both cases I think that 'fine line' can make a world of difference, a difference between venting anger which only the 'repper' and 'reppée' see like in a PM communication, or making a statement in an educated way which is visible to the community as a whole. I couldn't care less if someone sends me a PM just to vent, I'd react in the way I want, it would never change the opinion somebody else might have of me. But if someone would do the same in a public forum such as LinuxQuestions, which I frequent and value very much, then my name is at stake and yes I'd react different, choosing my words carefully in order not to damage my name/reputation.

Again, this is just me, maybe I try to hold too high standards, but it's part of my education and you can look at any post of mine, as others can confirm, I always try to maintain the same level of communication.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 01:23 PM   #618
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@Jeremy:

I though/assumed, because of post #595, that you already made up your mind about implementing this, which would contradict post #611. Kinda makes me feel a bit better that you seem inclined _not_ to implement it. I had some "interesting" thoughts about me and LQ since reading post #595 (and, hopefully, making the wrong assumption)......

I truly, truly hope you will not implement this public display of wrong-sayers and good-sayers.
I'm inclined to implement being able to see, on a per post basis, the rep information in a "+/- : $comment" form, without any username information. Is there anyone *against* this?

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 01:26 PM   #619
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I'm inclined to implement being able to see, on a per post basis, the rep information in a "+/- : $comment" form, without any username information. Is there anyone *against* this?

--jeremy
Hi,

Whatever gets decided and/or implemented, it will not change my behavior here at LinuxQuestions at all, only might change the way I use, or don't use, the rep system.

In other words, whatever you see fit is just fine by me.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 01:26 PM   #620
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I'm inclined to implement being able to see, on a per post basis, the rep information in a "+/- : $comment" form, without any username information. Is there anyone *against* this?
Depends. Will this also be shown on post made by those that opted out?
 
Old 09-02-2010, 01:42 PM   #621
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@Jeremy:

As more tuning and implementing is done to give the reputation system a globally acceptable form I do think the opt-out system should also be re-evaluated.

I suggest the following when you choose to opt-out:

1) The person that opted out can no longer participate in giving others any kind of reputation, which means that the buttons associated with the reputation system are disabled or not visible.

2) Posts made by those that opted-out cannot get any reputation, which means that the buttons associated with the reputation system are disabled or not visible for other members.

BTW: This would also take care of the question in my previous post (#620).

For those that want to start about wanting to opt-out _and_ have the ability to peek at their "score" (be rated) and/or rate others: You cannot have your cake and eat it.....

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Old 09-02-2010, 01:46 PM   #622
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Depends. Will this also be shown on post made by those that opted out?
After some thought, no it will not.

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Old 09-02-2010, 01:48 PM   #623
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@Jeremy:

As more tuning and implementing is done to give the reputation system a globally acceptable form I do think the opt-out system should also be re-evaluated.

I suggest the following when you choose to opt-out:

1) The person that opted out can no longer participate in giving others any kind of reputation, which means that the buttons associated with the reputation system are disabled or not visible.

2) Post made by those that opted-out cannot get any reputation, which means that the buttons associated with the reputation system are disabled or not visible for other members.

BTW: This would also take care of the question in my previous post (#620).

For those that want to start about wanting to opt-out _and_ have the ability to peek at there "score" (be rated) and/or rate others: You cannot have your cake and eat it.....
This is something I've been debating and it's quite possible we'll implement it. It seems fair that if you are hiding your rep, you should not be able to rep others.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 01:54 PM   #624
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After some thought, no it will not.
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This is something I've been debating and it's quite possible we'll implement it.
put a smile on my face. Both fall in my Very Good News category!
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:02 PM   #625
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This is something I've been debating and it's quite possible we'll implement it. It seems fair that if you are hiding your rep, you should not be able to rep others.
Sounds fair to me.
I'd be more than happy to have the reputation system removed from my profile.

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Old 09-02-2010, 02:04 PM   #626
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OK, an update after some more thought on having more insight into the system.

* I'm going to add a "reputation" tab to your profile which will list some of the recent rep you've received. There will be a link to your post, whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this tab will not appear.

* Clicking the scale in other members posts will include how that post has been repped by other members, including whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this will not appear for your posts.

* If you have rep disabled, you will not see any rep information in your UserCP.

* Moving forward it's *very* possible that opting out will mean that you can not give or receive rep. I have not made a final decision, but I'm leaning this way.

* I've lowered the max amount of rep you can give (again) and also decreased (also again) the rate at which you reach this maximum rep.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:08 PM   #627
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* I'm going to add a "reputation" tab to your profile which will list some of the recent rep you've received. There will be a link to your post, whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this tab will not appear.

* Clicking the scale in other members posts will include how that post has been repped by other members, including whether the rep was positive or negative and the comment. No username information will be available. If you have rep disabled, this will not appear for your posts.

* If you have rep disabled, you will not see any rep information in your UserCP.
Sounds good.

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* Moving forward it's *very* possible that opting out will mean that you can not give or receive rep. I have not made a final decision, but I'm leaning this way.
Sounds even better.

Thanks for contemplating this!
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:17 PM   #628
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I'm inclined to implement being able to see, on a per post basis, the rep information in a "+/- : $comment" form, without any username information. Is there anyone *against* this?

--jeremy
We as members know that when something is posted that others may read and understand things differently or misinterpret. It should be the same on any content, either rep +/- or Helpful Y/N. The comments should be shown. I always respond to PM and state preferences to open information here on the particular forum and keep it there unless warranted otherwise. How else will things improve? Let the user who comments establish whether the username should be exposed via tag onto the comment. Good debate and feedback requires clear and concise information weighted from the commenter.

I have no problem with anyone knowing information exchange on forum subjects. As for the username, we use that for our own personal security or at least a member should to protect their personal identity. LQ wide reputation for typical active members is already attested by participation with other members. LQ is now wanting to have a society based cert or a means to justify to other members a members value/worth to the community. That's fine with me. I know my worth and don't need a cert or label to show my accomplishments. If I stepped on someone intentionally or was rude then I would expect at some point in time to be openly spanked by other members let alone mods.

But as it stands I believe the comment should be required on any rating. You could allow the repper or helper to choose the showing of the username. I for one would allow my comments to be shown with a username. This control could be via user panel option. Somewhat like the disabled rep, this would weight the comment and allow the reader(s) to decide the worth of the comment.

I've stated before to comment face to face any information exchange should be the same here on LQ. Open! If user $A has a positive/negative view on a post by $B then that comment should be tag from $A. But if User A$ feels that his/her comment is to be hidden then give $A that option to the forum but $B should know. If I am user $A then the comment option would be such that the comment would be exposed to all on the forum with $A .

If your willing to be open by responding to a post then you should be strong enough to allow full comment exposure(s). In my mind it's helpful to all when we freely exchange information.

We cannot have a exception ruled table as this would be to broad therefore in itself would be restricting thus introducing bias. I'm sure there is some form of post filtering when certain members submit posts to a thread. So this too could be done for the rep or Helpful rating.

 
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:54 PM   #629
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Hi Jeremy,

Would this option as pointed out by onebuck in this post be something you'd consider implementing? I believe that would be the perfect solution between two extremes. I for one am in favor of the option to show/hide username at repper discretion.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:58 PM   #630
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I've not seen anything regarding post #611 that impacts my opinion on the topic, and that includes whether it's optional or not.

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