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Old 09-02-2010, 10:10 AM   #601
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... what are members thoughts on adding rep information in the following format to the "Add to Reputation" dropdown page:

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Yes. Very good. I still think that naming the repper as well is the optimal transparency, but this is a very good second best.
 
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:16 AM   #602
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Hi,

Comments can be long: thank you for your help druuna! you have saved me alot of time! (one of the comments I received). This will clutter the left pane I think.

Wouldn't this suffice:
+ Jeremy
- druuna
+ JZL240I-U


Maybe a pop-up with all the actual comments, which needs to be clicked.
 
Old 09-02-2010, 10:17 AM   #603
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That's transparency again .
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:11 AM   #604
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It's not clear to me why you think member $a being able to see how member $b repped member $c would "aid in preventing misuse/abuse". Care to expand on that sentiment?

--jeremy
Hi Jeremy,

In my opinion it's part of human nature that when one can express himself/herself in absolute anonymity there are no bounds to what they say or limits in use of words. I've seen this behavior on various occasions in meetings with coworkers that they would say bluntly what they want in the words they choose without thinking about anything if they can do so anonymous. Once you ask that same person to sign the same statement with his/her name, that's when they start thinking, rephrasing or even taking back words.

Not everyone is as direct as the Dutch or Belgian people (druuna and myself) but it's all in the education of someone how he/she phrases statements and opinions.

I believe that while reps and comments can be seen with the names of the posters, even if the rep is negative, the way someone will 'voice' his or her opinion will be controlled more or less, depending on the person.

If the same rep and comment can be made in complete anonymity then everything is 'game' I think.

Of course there are those who don't give a <smelly stuff> about how other people think about them but I'm sure that those are a minority here at LQ.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:15 AM   #605
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I think it's a way to stop the system being gamed/personal vendettas being carried out.

Right now, if I decided to down rep every one of a poster's posts (within the confines of the boundaries, of course) it is a private matter. If these comments and votes were publicly available, it would discourage me or, at least, make me think twice before acting in a vindictive manner.

As well, on a more positive note, if I were the sort of person to be swayed by it, seeing the opinions of the better rated members could make me view individual posts in a better light.
Hi,

That's what I meant, I posted something in that direction in more words before reading your post. When someone knows that his remarks will be public he'll think twice about how to put it.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:20 AM   #606
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Hi,

Comments can be long: thank you for your help druuna! you have saved me alot of time! (one of the comments I received). This will clutter the left pane I think.

Wouldn't this suffice:
+ Jeremy
- druuna
+ JZL240I-U


Maybe a pop-up with all the actual comments, which needs to be clicked.
Or even the combination:
+ Jeremy - Great post
- druuna - Obvious Flame!
+ JZL240I-U - Very informational. Thank You.


The're are a lot of users here in the forums who's opinions and thought are of high value, not only to me but to everyone and surely to newcomers, and in this way you'd know who felt how and why.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:28 AM   #607
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@EricTRA:

The point I was trying to make is this:
+ Jeremy - Great post
- druuna - thank you for your help druuna! you have saved me alot of time!
+ JZL240I-U - Very informational. Thank You.


Which will probably be shown like this:
+ Jeremy - Great post
- druuna - thank you for your
help druuna! you have saved me
alot of time!
+ JZL240I-U - Very informational.
Thank You.


Kinda messes up the left pane or makes the actual work space too small if you don't wrap.

This will not:
+ Jeremy
- druuna
+ JZL240I-U


Make the whole thing (or individual user) clickable for the actual message.
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:30 AM   #608
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Hi,

I stand corrected You're right; if the username is a link to the comment it will have the same effect but takes up less space.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 11:35 AM   #609
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Okay guys, you solved it . Jeremy?
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:20 PM   #610
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Hi Jeremy,

In my opinion it's part of human nature that when one can express himself/herself in absolute anonymity there are no bounds to what they say or limits in use of words.
Once again, there is no absolute anonymity built into the system.

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I've seen this behavior on various occasions in meetings with coworkers that they would say bluntly what they want in the words they choose without thinking about anything if they can do so anonymous. Once you ask that same person to sign the same statement with his/her name, that's when they start thinking, rephrasing or even taking back words.
Signing your name to something has much more significance and actually isn't an apt comparison (and won't have the same impact) IMHO.

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Of course there are those who don't give a <smelly stuff> about how other people think about them but I'm sure that those are a minority here at LQ.
I'd agree that they are in the vast minority, which is why I don't think they system will be abused in some of the ways that are being suggested here (and the actual usage so far seems to confirm this).

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:22 PM   #611
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Okay guys, you solved it . Jeremy?
I still believe the negative aspects of publicly showing which users repped how far outweigh the positive ones. I'm open to arguments why I am wrong, but none of the ones presented are even close to compelling enough to make me reconsider this.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:33 PM   #612
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Once again, there is no absolute anonymity built into the system.
I agree with the fact that root (you) has total power and maybe some of that power simmers down to the mods, but as far as fellow users are concerned if you take away/hide the repper's username it's anonymous to us in my opinion.
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Signing your name to something has much more significance and actually isn't an apt comparison (and won't have the same impact) IMHO.
Why do you think the comparison isn't applicable to this environment? Because we all hide behind a 'username' and are after all anonymous up to the level we want? IMHO a man/woman is held accountable for his/her words and actions and since this community consist of people from all over the world more a reason to come across as correct. It's just the difference between that one tiny thing, having your name/username linked to a comment you make, in my opinion can make a lot of difference of how you react.
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I'd agree that they are in the vast minority, which is why I don't think they system will be abused in some of the ways that are being suggested here (and the actual usage so far seems to confirm this).

--jeremy
I'm sure that you'll agree that the behavior of the LQ users who are already using the new system for the first couple of days cannot represent the behavior of a significant higher number of users to follow in the next days/weeks/months to come. As you stated this is a beta version and all (or much) is subject to change/adapt over the time to come, but I'm confident that the behavior of users, without putting a number or percentage on it, is affected by being anonymous or not.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:41 PM   #613
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I still believe the negative aspects of publicly showing which users repped how far outweigh the positive ones. I'm open to arguments why I am wrong, but none of the ones presented are even close to compelling enough to make me reconsider this.

--jeremy
Hi Jeremy,

I'm sure I've missed it somewhere along the line but to what do you refer as negative aspect? A username mentioned next to a statement made by a user? I don't see anything negative in that. If I make a statement, form an opinion, that's MY statement/opinion and I never am afraid, timide, or whatever to hide myself in anonymity when it comes to saying what's on my mind, albeit in an educated way. But that's just me.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:41 PM   #614
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I agree with the fact that root (you) has total power and maybe some of that power simmers down to the mods, but as far as fellow users are concerned if you take away/hide the repper's username it's anonymous to us in my opinion.
That's not what I meant. There's "no absolute anonymity built into the system" in that you can always see exactly who repped you in both directions.

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Why do you think the comparison isn't applicable to this environment?
There's been quite a bit of research into the psychological impact of having to sign your name, and I'm quite confident none of that is applicable in the setting you're describing here, which is the fine line between the person you're repping being able to see it (which means the person most impacted knows exactly who and what) vs. the entire LQ community being able to see it.

--jeremy
 
Old 09-02-2010, 12:43 PM   #615
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I'm sure I've missed it somewhere along the line but to what do you refer as negative aspect? A username mentioned next to a statement made by a user? I don't see anything negative in that. If I make a statement, form an opinion, that's MY statement/opinion and I never am afraid, timide, or whatever to hide myself in anonymity when it comes to saying what's on my mind, albeit in an educated way. But that's just me.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4086028

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