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Old 08-30-2010, 11:39 PM   #481
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It's always about winning, even when discussing the merits of being uncompetitive.
 
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:21 AM   #482
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Although I support this addition to the site, I have always disliked the idea of a rep system for LQ. And this thread - not trying to do anyone down here - shows why: currently a number of people who I know are knowledgeable and helpful are getting incredibly tied up in "fair points" and really digging into the idea of how the points system works. Let's not forget that LQ has lasted for 10 years without this system and no one really worried that they wouldn't be seen as helpful.

While "rewarding" helpful and knowledgeable people is a great thing, I think it is far more worthwhile ensuring the system is easy to use and points are visible than worrying whether a point given is te right number. Personally, as long as the number of points is more than zero, I'm happy.

Seriously, I think a lot of people need to take a wider view: your advice will either be helpful or not helpful with or without a points system. Don't get bogged down in numbers.
Hi XavierP,

I agree with you 100%! LQ is not about competition at all, it's about helping others with Linux in my opinion. Although I like the system because it shows me that I'm appreciated for my work I'm not into the competition. I have an equal number of 'helpful' clicks from newbies (without the rep going up) as from other members (with rep points) and to me they mean exactly the same: the appreciation of a user for my post, period.

This system more than satisfies my 'feel good' need but as you indicated it should not be used as a means of competition. Some users are in my opinion 'over-competitive' which is beyond the meaning/scope of LinuxQuestions as far as I know.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 08-31-2010, 12:45 AM   #483
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I clicked the REP link, it seems to be used to adding reputation!
I clicked the scales link, it also seems to be used to adding reputation!

Why are both of them used for the same purpose ?
 
Old 08-31-2010, 12:48 AM   #484
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^ I'm with anishakaul...IMO the "Rep:" link should take you to the FAQ page, and the scales button should be for adding rep.
 
Old 08-31-2010, 12:53 AM   #485
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Actually yesterday when I clicked REP link on other people's posts, it said "This post has not received any points"

May be the OP is using this link for showing "Points per post on the post itself" ?

Even then, how can a person be expected to click or hover on REP link of 25 posts, to see what points has each post got ?

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Old 08-31-2010, 03:32 AM   #486
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The rep link is, I think, in response to the people who requested a 'per post' reputation.
 
Old 08-31-2010, 06:12 AM   #487
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Although I support this addition to the site, I have always disliked the idea of a rep system for LQ. And this thread - ...
I clicked on the scales of the original post to add to XavierPs rep. That did not change the number of posters considering the post helpful (which I thought it is, but I wanted to give the better amount of rep). But I didn't take note whether his rep increased so maybe the system doesn't (yet?) work for me?

Is this the intended result? I rather think that if anybody doles out rep, the relevant post must have been helpful, mustn't it?

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Old 08-31-2010, 06:40 AM   #488
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Wow this thread is becoming a monster... just keeps on growing.

As I see it the main problem with the new rep system is a lack of transparency. I think this is probably for two reasons:

1. The system itself is somewhat complicated. Eg compared to the old thanked post count and helpful/unhelpful.
2. The *exact* way that the system works has not really be explained (or if it has, most of us have not understood it).

I personally don't mind that it is complicated, however I *need* to understand things and at this point I don't. I suspect (hope) that the system will be fully explained sometime in the not too distant future (shit, who wants to write documentation: not me. I'd rather be writing code).

Hmm... perhaps the code could be provided and then we can clearly see what's going on :-)

Just my 2 yen worth,

Evo2.
 
Old 08-31-2010, 09:44 AM   #489
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I clicked the REP link, it seems to be used to adding reputation!
I clicked the scales link, it also seems to be used to adding reputation!

Why are both of them used for the same purpose ?
Two reasons - one is AJAX and the other is a simple link. Additionally, some people didn't think the scales icon was obvious enough, while the "Rep" link clearly stands out as a link.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-31-2010, 09:45 AM   #490
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Actually yesterday when I clicked REP link on other people's posts, it said "This post has not received any points"

May be the OP is using this link for showing "Points per post on the post itself" ?

Even then, how can a person be expected to click or hover on REP link of 25 posts, to see what points has each post got ?
It has the *exact* same functionally as the scales, sans the AJAX page load. You must have clicked the "Rep" link in one of your own threads if you got the above message. You seem to be analyzing ever minor change of a BETA feature and then making wildly incorrect assumptions from those observations.

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:47 AM   #491
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The rep link is, I think, in response to the people who requested a 'per post' reputation.
FWIW there is no 'per post' reputation in the system at this time. It's an interesting idea that we may pursue, but it has some scaling and performance challenges that we'll need to overcome to make it possible.

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:48 AM   #492
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I clicked on the scales of the original post to add to XavierPs rep. That did not change the number of posters considering the post helpful (which I thought it is, but I wanted to give the better amount of rep). But I didn't take note whether his rep increased so maybe the system doesn't (yet?) work for me?

Is this the intended result? I rather think that if anybody doles out rep, the relevant post must have been helpful, mustn't it?
It is the intended result. As I've mentioned, the system are complimentary but distinct. Giving someone positive "rep" does not mean to the post is "helpful".

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:56 AM   #493
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Wow this thread is becoming a monster... just keeps on growing.

As I see it the main problem with the new rep system is a lack of transparency. I think this is probably for two reasons:
I don't think we could possibly have been more transparent when rolling this feature out.

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1. The system itself is somewhat complicated. Eg compared to the old thanked post count and helpful/unhelpful.
From a user perspective the system could not be much simpler. You click the scales and click "I approve", optionally leaving a message.

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2. The *exact* way that the system works has not really be explained (or if it has, most of us have not understood it).
A couple people seem to be getting caught up in minor implementational details that will change as the system has more data, both because the system will mature and as we catch new ways people are trying to game the system. The exact numbers are missing the point I think. Except in the cases where a member does not have the minimum number of posts (which is small) they give off positive rep. The exact amount of rep changes based on a variety of factors that I've outlined before and is capped at a certain number. Once you're in the Senior Member usergroup or above, you can also leave negative rep (but it will subtract 50% of what a positive rep would have added and a comment is mandatory). The system is also impacted by the Helpful system (and hopefully other systems in the future), also at a 50% rate. That's the entire logic of the system, which seems fairly straight forward to me.

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Old 08-31-2010, 10:03 AM   #494
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but it has some scaling and performance challenges that we'll need to overcome to make it possible.
Can you kindly list the disadvantages you think are very obvious currently w.r.t implementing that feature for others to know.
 
Old 08-31-2010, 10:06 AM   #495
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It's not just a matter of disadvantages in this case (although I can think of a couple). It's deciding whether it's possible to implement that particular feature in a way that doesn't impact the way LQ has to scale and perform to serve the 50,000,000+ visitors that we do every year on the very limited resources we have.

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