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Of course. Helps me to understand why you guys insists in that careful de-branding, err... de-blobing and removing of "malware".
And I seen the light, it is of course all about your own users freedoms, specially the ones related to selling. Or, we should talk about clients and end-users?
BTW, speaking of Slackware, Freenix and de-branding, I do not know for sure the opinion of yours El Lider Maximo, but surely our own Benevolent Dictator For Life will be very dissapointed learning of the usage of Slackware's Registered Trademark by businesses revolutionary movements which aren't owned lead by him.
Slackware may be free as in free beer, brewed in the Patrick's Kitchen from Minnesota, and given as gift to his friends around the World, BUT it is also the Registered Trademark of Slackware, Inc.
I do not know if you are aware, living either in America, or Western Europe, but the communists used to have their specific slang for speeches.
We called it something like "wood language" and it is easy to recognize, for one who had in past to watch/hear those speeches. And was for them like a trademark, used probably everywhere, with some variations.
Now guess what? This Linux-libre thing looks like was initiated in South America, by gNewSense if I understand right. Also, from what I see, they decided to adopt the communist/revolutionary slang for promoting their thing.
So, because a word that is based on the latin word liber, meaning liberty, was used by some communists, that means the FSF decided to use it to label software because of its communist roots? I already showed you how Cuba Libre was not tied to communism, but to free Cuba from Spanish rule with American help. "Libre" is a single word that translates to "free". Anything that uses libre does not mean it has ties to communism, no matter how hard you try to think that. Because Free Tibet is to try and liberate Tibet from communists, does that mean that anything with the word free is now anti-communist?
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Originally Posted by Darth Vader
For example, did you heard about IceCat? Myself today I learned about its existence.
I haven't kept up to date with the development of icecat, but it was originally forked because Mozilla forced them to stop using the Mozilla/Firefox trademarks. Mozilla was frustrated because distros were heavily modifying Firefox, yet still distributing it under the name Firefox, leading to confusion on who people should contact for support. Mozilla decided to exercise their right to the Firefox trademark and forced anyone not distributing the official binaries to not use Mozilla/Firefox branding in the browser. Debian decided to just fork their changes into iceweasel, which eventually became icecat.
Last edited by bassmadrigal; 04-15-2018 at 04:14 PM.
Reason: Fix spelling
All your tirade there accomplishes is to call out how incomplete the effort's progress is, and does nothing to illegitimize the effort itself.
What is offered is not "a distribution perfectly liberated at all levels down to every aspect of hardware", but simply a distribution that comes closer in measurable and meaningful ways.
You seem to want to refute this assertion of "meaningful" ... that's fine, but I don't think you're convincing anyone that actually cares about free software - every drop in the bucket counts.
Excuse me, but 40 years ago, when I was young and followed the high school, was the first time when I learned about the word "libre". And it was esentially about revolutionary movements from South America started by the ideology promoted by Che Guevara. And that was long time before to even heard about open-source. Maybe it even wasn't invented yet.
I can understand why the Americans will try to minimalize the role of Che Guevara and South American Marxism, but the South American Marxism was there and it was part of the life of those people who raised their heads against the dictatorships from everywhere on South America. That's the history and we cannot rewrite as we like, or we can?
Now those are the facts. Maybe historically has another sense, but billions of people learn since their school about "libre" in the sense given to it by Che Guevara.
You can come today and explain that "Linux-libre" is not about some revolutionary movement from an obscure South American country named "Linux", but I think that you should explain that also to another several billions, not only me.
What is really beyond me is why is not used another English word, instead of this word overused by a clear social group, maybe despised by you.
Like "Linux-clean" or "Linux-pure" or "Linux-green" or "Linux-good", there are so many words. And what's wrong with "Free Linux" ? Or "Clean Linux" or "Clear Linux"?
We must use the Spanish conventions in the English or other language?
BTW, speaking of Slackware, Freenix and de-branding, I do not know for sure the opinion of yours El Lider Maximo, but surely our own Benevolent Dictator For Life will be very dissapointed learning of the usage of Slackware's Registered Trademark by businesses revolutionary movements which aren't owned lead by him.
Slackware may be free as in free beer, brewed in the Patrick's Kitchen from Minnesota, and given as gift to his friends around the World, BUT it is also the Registered Trademark of Slackware, Inc.
Slackware is a registered trademark of Patrick Volkerding and Slackware Linux, Inc.
Permission to use the Slackware trademark to refer to the Slackware distribution
of Linux is hereby granted if the following conditions are met:
1. In order to be called "Slackware", the distribution may not be altered
from the way it appears on the central FTP site (ftp.slackware.com). This
is to protect the integrity, reliability, and reputation of the Slackware
distribution. (Note that moving entire directories like "source" or
"contrib" to a second CD-ROM is allowable, but leaving them out and
distributing a single source-free disc is *not*, as indicated below)
Anyone wishing to distribute an altered version must have the changes
approved by volkerdi@slackware.com (i.e. certified to be reasonably
bug-free). If the changed distribution meets the required standards for
quality, then written permission to use the Slackware trademark may be
provided.
2. All related source code must be included. (This is also required by the
GNU General Public License)
3. Except by written permission from Slackware Linux, Inc., the Slackware
trademark may not be used as (or as part of) a product name, company
name, or registered domain name.
4. Any approved use of "Slackware" must be followed by a circle-R, and must
acknowledge our ownership of the mark.
Note that you can still redistribute a distribution that doesn't meet these
criteria, you just can't call it "Slackware". Personally, I hate restricting
things in any way, but these restrictions are not designed to make life
difficult for anyone. I just want to make sure that bugs are not added to
commercial redistributions of Slackware. They have been in the past, and
the resulting requests for help have flooded my mailbox! I'm just trying to
make sure that I have some recourse when something like that happens.
Any questions about this policy should be directed to:
Patrick Volkerding <volkerdi at slackware dot com>
Yes, it is that time again (finally)! Following a long period of
planning, development, and testing, the Slackware Linux Project is proud
to announce the latest stable release of the longest running distribution
of the Linux operating system, Slackware version 14.2!
We are sure you'll enjoy the many improvements. We've done our best
to bring the latest technology to Slackware while still maintaining the
stability and security that you have come to expect. Slackware is well
known for its simplicity and the fact that we try to bring software to
you in the condition that the authors intended.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 04-15-2018 at 05:25 PM.
The Freenix Project has no rights to use the word "Slackware" because it is a trademark owned by Patrick Volkerding, just like cannot use also "Microsoft Windows".
Last edited by ZhaoLin1457; 04-15-2018 at 05:31 PM.
Did you really live in Minessota, USA, as you recommend yourself? Or it is a false story?
Seriously you have no idea what's a Registered Trademark in the Capitalist America?
Yes, I'm from Minnesota and yes, I understand what a Registered Trademark is ... what I don't yet understand is your answer to my original question: are you asserting any kind of violation ?
The Freenix Project has no rights to use the word "Slackware" because it is a trademark owned by Patrick Volkerding, just like cannot use also "Microsoft Windows".
The Freenix project would never purposely identify itself or its product as Slackware. We describe our exact relationship to the Slackware project in the second paragraph of our documentation. In order to give a consistent message to our users, our installation ISO is already partially re-branded, and more re-branding is already planned. That the word "Slackware" appears in various pieces of upstream documentation re-distributed by us is not germane to this conversation. We also see no reason to discuss the trademark issue any further with anyone except for the official representative of the Slackware project.
The Freenix project would never purposely identify itself or its product as Slackware. We describe our exact relationship to the Slackware project in the second paragraph of our documentation. In order to give a consistent message to our users, our installation ISO is already partially re-branded, and more re-branding is already planned. That the word "Slackware" appears in various pieces of upstream documentation re-distributed by us is not germane to this conversation. We also see no reason to discuss the trademark issue any further with anyone except for the official representative of the Slackware project.
Yes, it is that time again (finally)! Following a long period of
planning, development, and testing, the Slackware Linux Project is proud
to announce the latest stable release of the longest running distribution
of the Linux operating system, Slackware version 14.2!
And thanks for starting again with shiny words.
BTW, bear in mind: the Slackware users are particularly smarter.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 04-15-2018 at 05:59 PM.
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