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Old 04-15-2018, 06:00 PM   #226
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Excuse me, but 40 years ago, when I was young and followed the high school, was the first time when I learned about the word "libre". And it was esentially about revolutionary movements from South America started by the ideology promoted by Che Guevara. And that was long time before to even heard about open-source. Maybe it even wasn't invented yet.

I can understand why the Americans will try to minimalize the role of Che Guevara and South American Marxism, but the South American Marxism was there and it was part of the life of those people who raised their heads against the dictatorships from everywhere on South America. That's the history and we cannot rewrite as we like, or we can?

Now those are the facts. Maybe historically has another sense, but billions of people learn since their school about "libre" in the sense given to it by Che Guevara.

You can come today and explain that "Linux-libre" is not about some revolutionary movement from an obscure South American country named "Linux", but I think that you should explain that also to another several billions, not only me.

What is really beyond me is why is not used another English word, instead of this word overused by a clear social group, maybe despised by you.

Like "Linux-clean" or "Linux-pure" or "Linux-green" or "Linux-good", there are so many words. And what's wrong with "Free Linux" ? Or "Clean Linux" or "Clear Linux"?

We must use the Spanish conventions in the English or other language?
...and Communism from Latin America not same as Communism from Western Europe. Also, this not same as Communism from China. Also, this not same as Communism from North Korea. This is 5 (with Communism from USSR) different Communism's.

To be precise, only Cuban communism is as close to communism as it is. Others - it socialists, if that. IMHO.

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P.S. What does this have to do with Freenix? :-\

P.P.S. И чего вы доебались до идеалогии? Вы можете сказать, конкретно блядь, что у вас перестало работать во Freenix, но работало в Slackware? А то я за >10 страниц треда так нихуя и не понял, почему же скулят противники Freenix... :-\


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Old 04-15-2018, 06:21 PM   #227
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Comrade Ne01eX, better use exclusively English, or the moderators, up to the Landlord (Jeremy), all of them may became grumpy. I just warn you...
 
Old 04-15-2018, 06:27 PM   #228
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Ah, so someone will have to educate themselves on what actually constitutes USE of trademark.
Well, the ones who will see what constitutes trademark USE and what ABUSE will not be me...

BTW, long years ago, happened to hear lengthy explanations given by my lawyer exactly about what is the fair use of Slackware trademark, at least according with the USA and European laws.

Or, did you imagine that you are the first distribution derived from Slackware?

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Old 04-15-2018, 06:34 PM   #229
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I don't know howto this (P.P.S. section) correct translate to English. This is an emotional message. It uses the full power of the Russian language. What I could translate, - I had translated (with the provision of original). False irregular [removed] verbs. :-(

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Old 04-15-2018, 07:01 PM   #230
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I don't know howto this (P.P.S. section) correct translate to English. This is an emotional message. It uses the full power of the Russian language. What I could translate, - I had translated (with the provision of original). False irregular [removed] verbs. :-(
Let's hope Jeremy will not send you an emotional message using the full power of the Root account...
 
Old 04-15-2018, 07:26 PM   #231
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Also, this not same as Communism from North Korea.
What Communism from North Korea?

North Korea abbandoned the Communism in 1972, in favor of the Juche idea, which is religion (with elements from neo-Confucianism and Korean shamanism) and ideology (nationalism). It is not even Marxism–Leninism.

Unlike Marxism–Leninism, which considers material forces to be the driving force of historical progress, Juche idea considers human beings in general to be the driving force in history.

Their "Sacred Leader" is similar concept within the Shinto of Imperial Japan, in which the Emperor is seen as a divine being.

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Old 04-15-2018, 07:38 PM   #232
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OK, I got it.

Kim Jong-un is their living god and they are national-shamanists.

That explains everything and I can ever imagine who symbolize those little dolls which everyone makes in NK...

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Old 04-15-2018, 08:23 PM   #233
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1. I provide the English text where possible.
2. If you use UTF-8 locale, you should not have problems with displaying my messages. Or there are problems?

TEST MESSAGE:
Code:
* Это сообщение написано на русском языке. Я думаю на этом языке.
* Diese Nachricht ist in Deutsch verfasst. Ich kann diese Sprache nur mit einem W÷rterbuch benutzen.
* Ce message est Úcrit en franšais. Je peux utiliser cette langue, mais ce n'est pas ma langue maternelle.
* Ĉi tiu teksto estas skribita en la lingvo Esperanton. Ĉi tio estas facila lingvon.
* Cxi tiu teksto estas skribita en lingvo de simpligita Esperanton. Cxi tio estas facila lingvon.
* Това съобщение е на български език. Мога само да чета върху него. Пиша с грешки.
* Це повідомлення на української мовою. Можу читати і писати. Але не пишу. :-)
* Бу текст татар телендә. Барыбыз өчен дә яхшырак булыр, әгәр мин тормыйм яза. :D
* This message has been written on English language. I can read and write (with small errors, sometimes).
2all: I did not break your eyes?

P.S. I do not need to "moderate". I know how to "moderate" myself.

Okay, back to our reality. :-)

From previous message:

2all: P.P.S. This "thread" does have to do with ideology of Communism? Than? THAN? THAN? Can you say, specifically, that stopped working into Freenix, but worked for your into Slackware? And then, I'm after > 10 pages of thread, [removed], didnot understand, why the opponents of Freenix whines? :-\
 
Old 04-15-2018, 09:11 PM   #234
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What Communism from North Korea?

North Korea abbandoned the Communism in 1972, in favor of the Juche idea, which is religion (with elements from neo-Confucianism and Korean shamanism) and ideology (nationalism). It is not even Marxism–Leninism.

Unlike Marxism–Leninism, which considers material forces to be the driving force of historical progress, Juche idea considers human beings in general to be the driving force in history.

Their "Sacred Leader" is similar concept within the Shinto of Imperial Japan, in which the Emperor is seen as a divine being.
I said that these are different kinds of understanding of the concept of "communism".


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Old 04-15-2018, 09:52 PM   #235
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Excuse me, but 40 years ago, when I was young and followed the high school, was the first time when I learned about the word "libre". And it was esentially about revolutionary movements from South America started by the ideology promoted by Che Guevara. And that was long time before to even heard about open-source. Maybe it even wasn't invented yet.

I can understand why the Americans will try to minimalize the role of Che Guevara and South American Marxism, but the South American Marxism was there and it was part of the life of those people who raised their heads against the dictatorships from everywhere on South America. That's the history and we cannot rewrite as we like, or we can?

Now those are the facts. Maybe historically has another sense, but billions of people learn since their school about "libre" in the sense given to it by Che Guevara.

You can come today and explain that "Linux-libre" is not about some revolutionary movement from an obscure South American country named "Linux", but I think that you should explain that also to another several billions, not only me.

What is really beyond me is why is not used another English word, instead of this word overused by a clear social group, maybe despised by you.

Like "Linux-clean" or "Linux-pure" or "Linux-green" or "Linux-good", there are so many words. And what's wrong with "Free Linux" ? Or "Clean Linux" or "Clear Linux"?

We must use the Spanish conventions in the English or other language?
And Cuba Libre was around in the 1800s and had nothing to do with communism or marxism. Libre is a word that means free... quit looking so far into it and trying to tie it into all these unrelated (to software) movements. Even the EU recognizes libre for open source, as does Argentina, Ecuador, and Peru (there's even Livre being used in Brasil, which is the Portuguese translation of Libre). Guess what? Even Venezuela recognizes libre towards software.

Maybe you should do a little more research into how the various countries see the word libre, because it seems to be pretty common to be linked to open source software in Latin and South America.

Anyway, this is an argument you'd need to take up with the FSF, not Freenix, and certainly not me. We're using their terminology, and unless they change it, it is unlikely any of your suggestions would take hold. You better get used to it or just decide you'll have to argue at every instance it's ever used in.
 
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Ne01eX, A reminder that all content at LQ must be in English. Additionally, the language that you're using isn't acceptable here. If you'd like to continue participating moving forward, please refrain from this behavior.

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Old 04-16-2018, 02:52 PM   #237
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Ok, I add one rule into my internal "moder-mode" (about obcene lexic). :-)

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Old 04-16-2018, 04:01 PM   #238
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Anyway, this is an argument you'd need to take up with the FSF, not Freenix, and certainly not me. We're using their terminology, and unless they change it, it is unlikely any of your suggestions would take hold. You better get used to it or just decide you'll have to argue at every instance it's ever used in.
Great way to put it. Next time you want to rant about the way others use words free and libre, please consider how exactly you are different from RMS, who insists on correcting and criticizing words he doesn't like literally every time they are used by anyone
 
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why do users like discussing politics in a Linux forum?
 
Old 04-17-2018, 02:12 PM   #240
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why do users like discussing politics in a Linux forum?
What you expect to be discussed in a thread about a Slackware fork made solely from political reasons?

If you cut the FSF politics from Freenix, it has no reasons to exists.

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