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Old 02-02-2016, 09:06 AM   #46
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I can't see any serious lack of modernity under (current) Slackware, excluding the LinuxPAM and its Kerberos friend.
It only took 17 posts for PAM to be brought up in this thread. Great job!
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:24 AM   #47
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It only took 17 posts for PAM to be brought up in this thread. Great job!
I think that PAM was implied from post #1... So don't blame DarthV for this one.

I think to PAM as candidate, but I hope it was not worse like lack of package dependency...
 
Old 02-02-2016, 09:28 AM   #48
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Maybe in Romania. Not here.
500 000 buying 10 full time coders for a year? Actually, that's about right here too.
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:43 AM   #49
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As it is, I'm using NIS/NFS for my central authentication needs, which works fine despite its shortcomings, and I'll see what the future brings.
You mean that in 2016 in your network all the data is transmitted in clear text, including password hashes, and there is no any host authentication. So virtually everybody can plug a laptop and get access to virtually everything. And that's the best Slackware can do.


Cheers
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:54 AM   #50
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You mean that in 2016 in your network all the data is transmitted in clear text, including password hashes, and there is no any host authentication. So virtually everybody can plug a laptop and get access to virtually everything. And that's the best Slackware can do.
Cheers
That's what "shortcomings" is standing for.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 12:00 PM   #51
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Kiki, I have a question for you: you really understand that a PAMified Slackware is literally incompatible as (binary) packages with Slackware and its associated SlackBuilds.org, who usually disable PAM?

That if you manage to obtain in your hands a PAMified Slackware Linux, it will be eventually Kikiware Linux, but no Slackware anymore?

You will have a standalone distribution, living and depending only in your additional packages.

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Old 02-02-2016, 12:07 PM   #52
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Oh my God! Who the f--- cares?! If you love PAM so much just ask her to marry you!

After three topics in less than a month, please, JUST STOP.

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Old 02-02-2016, 12:19 PM   #53
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That's what "shortcomings" is standing for
I think that is possible ssh Tunneling NIS/NFS.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 12:37 PM   #54
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I think that is possible ssh Tunneling NIS/NFS.
Yes, it is possible to make a NFS mount over SSH. I used several times a setup inspired from there: https://www.howtoforge.com/nfs_ssh_tunneling

As drawbacks are that is a relative complicated configuration and works only Linux-to-Linux. Or I haven't tried further, probably with UNIX Services for Windows, on a Windows Server, you can do that too.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 01:03 PM   #55
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Kiki, I have a question for you: you really understand that a PAMified Slackware is literally incompatible as (binary) packages with Slackware and its associated SlackBuilds.org, who usually disable PAM?

That if you manage to obtain in your hands a PAMified Slackware Linux, it will be eventually Kikiware Linux, but no Slackware anymore?

You will have a standalone distribution, living and depending only in your additional packages.
I think this is why Niki is using a non PAMified version of Slackware. He understands the work involved in maintaining a PAMified Slackware and chose to not go that route. That is why he requested it to be included in Slackware last year, which got quite the mixed responses, but since it was not added, he decided to live without it.

Why would you think he doesn't understand that?
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:07 PM   #56
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After three topics in less than a month, please, JUST STOP.
Found your Master, huh?
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:20 PM   #57
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I wonder about something. There are Kiki Novak, Ivandi, Darth Vader and maybe others, all of them hitting into same issue: PAM.

How about, you guys, to create a League of Extraordinary Packagers and together to build-up your wanted Slackware with PAM. And it to be clearly different, making the mistakes improbable, to use RPMs instead of TXZs?
 
Old 02-02-2016, 01:23 PM   #58
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Don't forget Kerberos...
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:10 PM   #59
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I wonder about something. There are Kiki Novak, Ivandi, Darth Vader and maybe others, all of them hitting into same issue: PAM.

How about, you guys, to create a League of Extraordinary Packagers and together to build-up your wanted Slackware with PAM. And it to be clearly different, making the mistakes improbable, to use RPMs instead of TXZs?
referring to some howtos that I found, some of them in French which I do not understand so I might be wrong, it seems at least partial something like this has happend in an simplified and easier way, which is using for example centos instead of Slackware, which is sad but in opposite what you suggest an applicable way to solve a problem.
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:30 PM   #60
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I wonder about something. There are Kiki Novak, Ivandi, Darth Vader and maybe others, all of them hitting into same issue: PAM.

How about, you guys, to create a League of Extraordinary Packagers and together to build-up your wanted Slackware with PAM. And it to be clearly different, making the mistakes improbable, to use RPMs instead of TXZs?
And what advantage will offer that new RPM based distribution (I guess that you think about dependencies, then let's add to list yum or rpm-get), with PAM and Kerberos, shipping around 1000 packages and being compatible with nothing else?

Also, to maintain those 1000 packages, using Slackware as reference, is need exactly someone to work full time on it. Then, Kiki and Ivandi to come and to build on top their Enterprise Desktops.

At, conclusion, your idea is not the luckiest one.
 
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