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Old 02-03-2016, 04:21 AM   #76
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"Ask that French Big Mouth about what happened with it, not me!"
Thanks, but no. I expect a minimum of social skills of the people I interact with, and my curiosity for sneak previews of closed source projects is next to nonexistent.

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Old 02-03-2016, 04:28 AM   #77
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my curiosity for sneak previews of closed source projects is next to nonexistent.
Who said something about sneak previews of closed source projects?

My propose was about to show up a PAMified variant of the Slackware-current tree (until 14.2), not about something else, closed source or not.
 
Old 02-03-2016, 05:18 AM   #78
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Darth, if you're going to create your own spinoff of Slackware that is PAMinized, Kerberosized, systemdized, pasturized, homogenized, and baked to a nice golden brown... Now would be a good time to start.
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:23 AM   #79
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I see a bunch of guys, who have earned their moneys in an active job, before retirement, as hunting mammoths somewhere around Ice Age, that they make the Law there.

Out of respect, I understand their opinions, being habituated, at maximum, with Julius Caesar speaks, that they are against to any "improvement" which any other distribution still sports since French Revolution.

That's why, I propose for The Powers That Be, to fork the Slackware into Granpa's Linuz, offering all they want, even no UDEV and kernel 1.6.3, and for rest of us, still kicking alive, to keep going as Slackware for Non Granpas.
Who are "The Powers That Be"?

As for forking slackware, it's been done over and over again. Where do you think all the other distributions came from?
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:22 AM   #80
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Of course I'm talking about a "global trend" and a general "ambiance". They are (fortunately) some exceptions and some companies don't fall in this bias. But the fact is: market is flooded by low level people, and 'clients' (some CEO, managers etc) are totally unable to sort the good from the bad.

It's been about 10 years that I see this trend 'exploding' around me, it coincide with the mass access to internet and the mind washing of the mainstream media that the "new generation inherently is good with technology and the elder can't understand it". So some people having just a facebook account genuinely believe that they masterize technology better than an old programmer avoiding the social networks for "philosophical and ethical reasons".
This is endemic everywhere, not just in IT jobs. Mass access to quick/superficial information on the internet seems to have been a catalyst, but my own observation is that many jobs in tech industries (and elsewhere) have been taken over by Dunning-Kruger casualties. There's a tendency to see those with genuine knowledge as a threat, to be shouted down and marginalised.
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:07 AM   #81
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My starting salary in 1995 as a software engineer would have fit that.
Apart from the fact that market rates and costs of living vary from place to place (pointed out in several replies already), Darth Vader said "coders". Not "software engineers".
 
Old 02-03-2016, 10:18 AM   #82
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Apart from the fact that market rates and costs of living vary from place to place (pointed out in several replies already), Darth Vader said "coders". Not "software engineers".
"Engineer" status exists (I think) only in North America (With the ring and all the "sectarism"). In france you're an engineer if you work as an engineer, no need to be part of any "university brotherhood"... It's sad to say, but on this point and this point only France at least reward the kind of work and not a "title"... I use "sad" because it's the only point where "result matter"... In general, US/Canada rewards more result than title, BUT on this point.

Just to say, in France (and maybe some other European countries), coder <=> software engineer, it doesn't matter.
 
Old 02-03-2016, 10:39 AM   #83
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In france you're an engineer if you work as an engineer, no need to be part of any "university brotherhood"... It's sad to say, but on this point and this point only France at least reward the kind of work and not a "title"...
Not really:
http://www.cti-commission.fr/
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/ar...SRS1327350A/jo
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format...eurs_en_France

And but in SMEs, if you you aren't an "ingénieur diplomé" and regardless of your skills, the chances that you access to the "statut cadre" (a French specialty) are slim, the probability that you become an executive manager very close to zero.

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Old 02-03-2016, 12:35 PM   #84
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Not really:
http://www.cti-commission.fr/
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/ar...SRS1327350A/jo
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format...eurs_en_France

And but in SMEs, if you you aren't an "ingnieur diplom" and regardless of your skills, the chances that you access to the "statut cadre" (a French specialty) are slim, the probability that you become an executive manager very close to zero.
Alright, I'm lacking of administrative knowledge .

But that's good to know.

Edit: in fact not really: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ing%C3%A9nieur#En_France
Your links are about "having the title" (studies)... But to do the job you don't have to have the "title"... Which is quite different in Canada for what I know...

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Old 02-03-2016, 01:02 PM   #85
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But to do the job you don't have to have the "title"...
Yes, but you are then underpaid and it will be real hard to get a promotion.
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Which is quite different in Canada for what I know...
That's right. My elder brother studied in an university in Toronto and is a Professional Engineer
 
Old 02-03-2016, 01:50 PM   #86
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This is endemic everywhere, not just in IT jobs. Mass access to quick/superficial information on the internet seems to have been a catalyst, but my own observation is that many jobs in tech industries (and elsewhere) have been taken over by Dunning-Kruger casualties. There's a tendency to see those with genuine knowledge as a threat, to be shouted down and marginalised.
I'm facing an increasing number of requests for Linux Administration courses that fit in two or three afternoons. Companies send me their wishlist, including items like shell programming, firewalls, web servers, mail servers, Samba, Squid, etc. and expect me to put together a two-to-three-afternoons course for beginners. So I added an information on my website stating that Linux Administration courses also exist in pill form: you just swallow one pill in the evening, and the next morning you wake up and you're an expert in Linux Administration.
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:11 PM   #87
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... Linux Administration courses also exist in pill form: you just swallow one pill in the evening, and the next morning you wake up and you're an expert in Linux Administration.
Is it a red pill or a blue pill?
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:16 PM   #88
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Is it a red pill or a blue pill?
It's a couple of RGB pills...
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:04 PM   #89
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But we want to see how see the rabbit hole goes.
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:09 PM   #90
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But we want to see how see the rabbit hole goes.
Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall...
 
  


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