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Old 02-02-2016, 03:17 PM   #61
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And what advantage will offer that new RPM based distribution (I guess that you think about dependencies, then let's add to list yum or rpm-get), with PAM and Kerberos, shipping around 1000 packages and being compatible with nothing else?

Also, to maintain those 1000 packages, using Slackware as reference, is need exactly someone to work full time on it. Then, Kiki and Ivandi to come and to build on top their Enterprise Desktops.

At, conclusion, your idea is not the luckiest one.
where did you get that number, the 1k packages ?
is there really 1000 packages that you need that support PAM ?
 
Old 02-02-2016, 03:40 PM   #62
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I see a bunch of guys, who have earned their moneys in an active job, before retirement, as hunting mammoths somewhere around Ice Age, that they make the Law there.

Out of respect, I understand their opinions, being habituated, at maximum, with Julius Caesar speaks, that they are against to any "improvement" which any other distribution still sports since French Revolution.

That's why, I propose for The Powers That Be, to fork the Slackware into Granpa's Linuz, offering all they want, even no UDEV and kernel 1.6.3, and for rest of us, still kicking alive, to keep going as Slackware for Non Granpas.

Using that logic, Android is the newest linux "distro" out there. And my daughter used Android since 4.0. But she's 15 now and when I ask her - she says it sucks. She uses Slackware on her laptop now. So from my experience:

"Slackware for Granpas" = anyone over 14 years old. So yes, I agree, grade-school children all over the world love the bells and whistles of all the new fangled distos - but, in fact, by age 15, they get bored with it all and move on to distros where real work can be done.
 
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:48 PM   #63
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where did you get that number, the 1k packages ?
is there really 1000 packages that you need that support PAM ?
Nope. But our friend proposed to use RPM as native package manager, and in that case, the entire distribution should be rebuild into RPMs, of course.

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Old 02-02-2016, 04:25 PM   #64
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Nope. But our friend proposed to use RPM as native package manager
Actually, you did that, in post #17 in this thread.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 04:32 PM   #65
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Actually, you did that, in post #17 in this thread.
In post #17 I suggested that it is possible to use RPM as default package manager, if someone wants dependencies goodness. While, Lucky Cyborg said into post #57 :

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I wonder about something. There are Kiki Novak, Ivandi, Darth Vader and maybe others, all of them hitting into same issue: PAM.

How about, you guys, to create a League of Extraordinary Packagers and together to build-up your wanted Slackware with PAM. And it to be clearly different, making the mistakes improbable, to use RPMs instead of TXZs?

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Old 02-02-2016, 05:01 PM   #66
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@kikinovak BTW, you French Big Mouth, you have to prepare for me an access rsync over ssh and a space around 25GB, preferable visible also on-line via http(s).

I obtained the accord of my team leader for the alternative demonstration, until the first following release (14.2). You guess about what is demo.

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Old 02-02-2016, 05:01 PM   #67
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Lucky Cyborg said
Literally everything LuckyCyborg has ever said has been trolling. Ignore literally everything that he's ever said or will ever say.

Unless you find his posts entertaining. Which I did in this thread.

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Old 02-02-2016, 05:12 PM   #68
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@kikinovak BTW, you French Big Mouth
French mouth, yes (and I have to admit that Nicolas writes in French better than me), but the remainder of his body is Austrian

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Old 02-02-2016, 05:15 PM   #69
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French mouth, yes (and I have to admit that Nicolas writes in French better than me), but the remainder of his body is Austrian
Nice to know that he's Austrian. I was convinced that he's French, pure blood...
 
Old 02-02-2016, 05:18 PM   #70
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Unless you find his posts entertaining. Which I did in this thread.
In fact, that's my point, too. Come on, nobody is Bad Guy, there, sine die...
 
Old 02-02-2016, 07:42 PM   #71
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500 000 buying 10 full time coders for a year? Actually, that's about right here too.
My starting salary in 1995 as a software engineer would have fit that.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 09:44 PM   #72
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My starting salary in 1995
Market has changed since then... And on some way for the "worst"... IT/Development market is flooded with a lot of "HTML coder" and other script kiddies, which are SOOO efficient for some employers (and sadly often "sufficient" for the quick turn over of the expected products), that you can have all XP and knowledge you want, you end being always "too expensive"...

For mainstream medias and sometimes even some 'specialized' medias, there's so many confusion about what computing is, externalisation is a "must" today, you have to sign silly undisclosed agreement on the one hand, and on the other one they let their data stored and managed by third parties companies...

The problem is that "It works!" (No not the Apache server ), from the financial perspective that all makes sense: more money to accumulate, less money to spend, no need to "think long term", it's real hardcore drug for those guys. The drug is so intense that they don't realize that about this "long term" they love to ignore, they also fragilise a whole economy, and are financing "greedy script kiddies" who are flattered in their ego, and 'destroying' the experienced and knowledgable ones, which is a bit the mechanism of the "Idiocracy" movie. Mediocrity pullulate while a lot of "fresh out of school" qualify themselves as "experts", and the real 'wise' knowledge is discredited and marginalised.

Of course I'm talking about a "global trend" and a general "ambiance". They are (fortunately) some exceptions and some companies don't fall in this bias. But the fact is: market is flooded by low level people, and 'clients' (some CEO, managers etc) are totally unable to sort the good from the bad.

It's been about 10 years that I see this trend 'exploding' around me, it coincide with the mass access to internet and the mind washing of the mainstream media that the "new generation inherently is good with technology and the elder can't understand it". So some people having just a facebook account genuinely believe that they masterize technology better than an old programmer avoiding the social networks for "philosophical and ethical reasons".

And for those who never had to find funds to create a company, you can't imagine the childishness of a lot of investors... A lot of them are some kind of "spoiled child" believing crazy stuff. I can't tell you how many "millionaires" I talked with, who believed they would "crush google" just creating yet another social network... Somehow, it's better to be "at the bottom" not to witness this depressing reality of who pulls the strings...

Gee, I did it again... Sorry, I admit, I've been traumatized professionally during the last years .

Cheers.

Garry.

PS/ I must admit that my sample panel is mostly in the french speaking countries, so there might be a cultural biais with this, but it seems it's not just about that, I see this on another level on LQ too. This forum drastically changed since I joined 7 years ago, and looking to my post count I hardly believe it comes from me .

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Old 02-02-2016, 10:42 PM   #73
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@kikinovak BTW, you French Big Mouth, you have to prepare for me an access rsync over ssh and a space around 25GB, preferable visible also on-line via http(s).

I obtained the accord of my team leader for the alternative demonstration, until the first following release (14.2). You guess about what is demo.
The french company Online rents dedicated servers starting from 5,99 € / month. Professional offers start at 29,99 € / month, with 2 x 1 TB disk space, a quad-core processor, 8 GB RAM and unlimited bandwidth.

Here's a tutorial on how to install Slackware on these servers.

Cheers,

Niki
 
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Old 02-03-2016, 12:40 AM   #74
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My starting salary in 1995 as a software engineer would have fit that.
in some areas in the world you get money and taxes are already taken away and all you get it yours, often you get even money back from the tax office, in others you get money and than you pay to the tax office. Also in some countries you have several insurances included, pension, healthcare, ...in others you have to pay self for insurances. Not mentioning things like daycare for children, school system, several weeks paid holidays that you even take, public traffic, infrastructure where no problems with 150km wind and a little bit of snow, while other sit in the dark or ....
because of things like that I find comparing numbers very difficult with some countries, but of course you have to understand that and why those details matter.
 
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The french company Online rents dedicated servers starting from 5,99 / month. Professional offers start at 29,99 / month, with 2 x 1 TB disk space, a quad-core processor, 8 GB RAM and unlimited bandwidth.

Here's a tutorial on how to install Slackware on these servers.

Cheers,

Niki
Thanks Kiki for suggestions, but nope, I do not willing to invest 2 euro-cents in a web-presence for something like a free beer experiment.

Call me as having a biased opinion, after my previous free beer experiment, which earned two freaking dollars as community support, in its entire existence.

So, you want to see how looks and behave a PAMified Slackware-current, orthodox following the Slackware guidelines, until the release of 14.2? You will have offer its web presence, if you want to have it.

In other hand, let's see the bright side: when, somewhere around 2024, Eric will rhetorical ask where is it and if maybe it was taken down for corporate reasons, I will love to respond:

"Ask that French Big Mouth about what happened with it, not me!"

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