About auto-forking the Slackware into Jurassic Linux for its beloved 90 old supporters and keeping going for rest of us...
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I see a bunch of guys, who have earned their moneys in an active job, before retirement, as hunting mammoths somewhere around Ice Age, that they make the Law there.
Out of respect, I understand their opinions, being habituated, at maximum, with Julius Caesar speaks, that they are against to any "improvement" which any other distribution still sports since French Revolution.
That's why, I propose for The Powers That Be, to fork the Slackware into Granpa's Linuz, offering all they want, even no UDEV and kernel 1.6.3, and for rest of us, still kicking alive, to keep going as Slackware for Non Granpas.
Haha ok I realise it was supposed to be funny, but you know that if you want to use Arch or Ubuntu then you can just go and do that, right? In other words, if you don't understand or agree with the Jurassic Linux philosophy, you can move on, it's supposedly a free world. Obviously if Slackware dies someone will just clone its DNA anyway.
Well, DPM is not RPM based. It is suite of package management, written in C++, not C. Practically, under top-end, something able to use repositories. Using a very own script, package and repository format, dependencies and able to compute dependencies from repositories. A very un-Slackware tool, probably with no interest for this community, anyway...
Eric, considered that part of those sources was public available even into KDE-APPS, what you suppose for me to do as plus?
Finally, I even tried to promote a Package Builder, specially written to generate Slackware packages using specs similar to rpmbuild, right there, in this forum.
Everything developed by DARKSTAR was for years in your hands, why you, guys, do not have a copy, for example, of the applications, which are much more smaller than the distribution, sine die?
Well, seems that more than grown balls needed for this type of work.
Everything developed by DARKSTAR was for years in your hands, why you, guys, do not have a copy, for example, of the applications, which are much more smaller than the distribution, sine die?
Darth Vader, you seem to be the male counterpart of Caitlyn Martin, that weird lady who's been a regular in Linux forums all over the world and whose favorite sport consists in raising everyone's blood pressure. Like you, she provided daily suggestions to ease Slackware's transition into the 21st century. And like you, she made sure everyone knew about her secret collaboration on a closed source improved Slackware spin-off that never saw the light of day.
Speaking of packages, their vaunted large repository would often have broken updates because of version mismatches and/or a lack of timely dependency updates.
From the same blog post (comment about Debian 8.1):
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Performance was decent, but a distro designed to be lightweight can be faster on older equipment. I went back to an old favorite, Vector Linux, who have a very solid release in 7.1, and my system is faster.
Can you believe that this lady now praises a distribution based on Slackware?
And like you, she made sure everyone knew about her secret collaboration on a closed source improved Slackware spin-off that never saw the light of day.
I believe that there is a main difference: I already provided, eight years ago, a open-source (improved) Slackware spin-off.
And I could say "improved", maybe just for its graphical tools (you should try to write ones, to understand the complexity of the task), and even having, out of box, again, eight years ago, a partitions manager capable to resize a Windows partition, to make room to Linux and to fine configure the X11, in a age when it was dead without a proper configuration file.
That was my take into free speech, and I consider not being my problem if someone heard me or not. Was a very interesting experience, when I understand that the problem is not to create graphical wizards, but that they are supposed to be smart, very smart.
In other hand, I find funny how from a candid comment, and I believe, well appreciative, we arrive again there. A secret collaboration? Nope. Just someone pay me to do a job. Nothing spectacular, considering that you already seen that another people arrived to similar results.
I ask you, Niki: why don't develop you a PAMified Slackware spin-off too, considering that you want it and need it; and my efforts there to promote the idea are maybe trolling?
Eventually, you can even pay a programmer to do it; and no, I don't talk about me. Probably you know about the concept of "do not make concurrency to us" clauses into contracts, then to known that I signed with a clause for avoiding to collaborate into thirdly party PAMification projects.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 02-02-2016 at 04:54 AM.
Interesting discussion turn. Like a bunch of rich guys who wonder why a taxi driver can't afford a yacht...
You guys love to remember that that distribution disappeared, but I don't see someone offering a mirror, even for historical purposes. Maybe some parts or applications can be recovered, uploaded again.
And Niki Kovak looks looking for some free beer, not free speech. Or he still confuse them.
PS. I still have somewhere that package builder, from 2010, someone want it?
Last edited by LuckyCyborg; 02-02-2016 at 05:20 AM.
Well, DPM is not RPM based. It is suite of package management, written in C++, not C. Practically, under top-end, something able to use repositories. Using a very own script, package and repository format, dependencies and able to compute dependencies from repositories. A very un-Slackware tool, probably with no interest for this community, anyway...
Ah yes that was it. I remembered it worked similar to RPM but it was its name (DPM) which was similar to RPM...
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Eric, considered that part of those sources was public available even into KDE-APPS, what you suppose for me to do as plus?
Finally, I even tried to promote a Package Builder, specially written to generate Slackware packages using specs similar to rpmbuild, right there, in this forum.
Everything developed by DARKSTAR was for years in your hands, why you, guys, do not have a copy, for example, of the applications, which are much more smaller than the distribution, sine die?
Yes, those tools were part of your ALICE toolkit. Was that in co-operation with Bluewhite Linux? My memory is vague about that since I only touched the Darkstar repository to see what you guys were up to ;-)
My comment was not meant to complain that you should have kept Darkstar sources available... you were and are free to do with those as you please, of course. It's just a pity that a lot of historical work is no longer accessible.
And Niki Kovak looks looking for some free beer, not free speech. Or he still confuse them.
I'm maintaining my own Slackware-based project. 1.164 extra packages on the latest count. Sources and documentation are public. No company funding it except my own. 100 % free as in {speech,beer}.
Yes, those tools were part of your ALICE toolkit. Was that in co-operation with Bluewhite Linux? My memory is vague about that since I only touched the Darkstar repository to see what you guys were up to ;-)
Yes, that ALICE toolkit was written by us, in co-operation with Bluewhite Linux and easys GNU/Linux.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 02-02-2016 at 05:42 AM.
I'm maintaining my own Slackware-based project. 1.164 extra packages on the latest count. Sources and documentation are public. No company funding it except my own. 100 free as in {speech,beer}.
Cheers,
Niki
But still there is a company funding that Slackware-based project, just happen being yours. And your 100 free as in {speech,beer} is just the business model of this company, which as your site says earn its money from professional Linux support.
I'm not a Linux specialist or a Linux business specialist, but I understand from this forum that a company, yours, need a Slackware with PAM, to earn money from supporting it.
How there is no public available Slackware with PAM, that company shouldn't create one for its purposes and make it 100 free as in {speech,beer}?
Or, to offer, just like the interested companies do, some financial stimulants to Slackware team, with four or five zeroes, to include PAM into Slackware?
I guess that after them looking to a fat check, the 14.2 will be magically delayed until PAM will be well integrated and there will be a nice propaganda pro-PAM.
Last edited by LuckyCyborg; 02-02-2016 at 06:33 AM.
I'm not a Linux specialist or a Linux business specialist, but I understand from this forum that a company, yours, need a Slackware with PAM, to earn money from supporting it.
To put it more simply, I just need a reliable Linux distribution to install on servers and desktops, and Slackware happens to be my distribution of choice. Early in 2015, I suggested the inclusion of PAM with a bit too much emphasis, and the discussion around the subject turned sour. As it is, I'm using NIS/NFS for my central authentication needs, which works fine despite its shortcomings, and I'll see what the future brings.
Of course, folks are free to choose whatever closed or open source development model they want. You can join this forum, ask questions, grab everything you can and then give nothing in return. It's like going to a birthday party: you can come empty-handed, eat all the cake and drink all the beers, because after all, it's not illegal, or is it? The open source world is a perfect mirror of the real world. There are those - like AlienBob or Willy Sudiarto - who give a lot and ask nothing in return. And then there are those who simply grab and nag and give nothing in return. Once in a while, I allow myself to be a bit pissed off by the latter.
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I realise it was supposed to be funny, but you know that if you want to use Arch or Ubuntu then you can just go and do that, right? 
In other words, if you don't understand or agree with the Jurassic Linux philosophy, you can move on, it's supposedly a free world. Obviously if Slackware dies someone will just clone its DNA anyway.
