and are you ready for a duel between nforce and intel based (affordable) chipsets??

Just to chuck in my 2 penn'orth....

If budget is a constraint then AMD is recommended. Tests I have seen in magazines (PC Pro and Plus) both suggest that identical pcs (apart from one running AMD and one Intel) with the same setup will run faster under AMD. An AMD processor of an equivalent speed to an Intel - say both at 1GHz - will run faster. Thing is, not a lot of software requires superfast processors. Memory is the way to go - seriously ramp up the memory to the max allowed by the hard and software. That is where you'll see the most difference.

Ebay is often a good place to start for cheap hardware. But there are others....

Yes

It would be fair if you would compare it with software that supports HT correctly.


Well its simple. Asuming someone would buy the Athlon XP 2500+ including 1 Stick of Corsair XMS3200LL + a Abit NFS board tha would set you back about

Abit NFS =106$
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ =85$
Corsair 512MB XMS 3200LL =123$

Total: 314$

Strenghth:
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Price


Weakness:
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Socket A Processors are NOT being developed further.
Single channel DDR is no match for dual channel
HEAT can kill your CPU



Now lets say I needed to design a Intel Platform

Abit IC7 =117$
Corsair 256MB XMS 3200LL =66$
Corsair 256MB XMS 3200LL =66$
Inel Pentium 4 -C 2.4Ghz =164$

Total: 413$

Weaknesses:
-------------------
Price


Strength:
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Dual cahnnel DDR kills single channel
800 FSB compared to 266 (I did not choose the 333FSB Barton)
Socket 478 is supported by P4-B P4-C upcomming Prescott and XEON Processsors
SATA-Raid
Very high overclocks on standard air cooling
Internal Memory bandwith much higher than the nforce plarform
Hyper Threading
HEAT Safety (in case your CPU fan dies off)

To summ it up, even tough the Intel Plaform is 99$ more expensive, the AMD platform it still looses in terms of value. The new Intel -C line brings Hyper Threading 800 MHz FSB und SATA-Raid mit dual channell ddr and support for next years cpus.

Greetings

-Florian

so you have agreed that in the case of price,intel lags by some one forth.
a simple question.What is the use of 3gz HT ??i mean,which all softwares will work (significantly)better than an athlon xp 2500+ and nforce2 combine??

--arun

I admit that the Intel Platform is more expensive than the AMD. But I think that the 99$ price difference is justified by the heaps of power and features.

I need the power, I run a dedicated Windows 2000 Server with developement tools for my customers. I have in this enviroment currently two Virtual Machines running Linux and Windows XP at the same time.

There are very good reasons to buy such a machine like mine, if you need the power. But on the other hand if you just use KWord and play around in the console you could just buy an AMD T-Bird 1400 and be happy.

The point is, if the AMD Platform was 160$ or 200$ cheaper than I would say AMD wins in terms of value.

But being cheaper doesnt make you get the price/performance crown!!

The AMD lags behind in a lot of areas, and everytime someone like me tries to justify 100$ more there is someone asking my ( What reason do I need to get a 3 GHz P4 ?!?)

--------New Statement---------
If you want a cheap system which is sufficent for your needs than buy AMD.

If you want a Powerfull system which you will be able to upgrade in one or 2 years but are not afraid of paying 99$ more, than buy the Intel.

i admit that not everyone wants and needs my machine.......I am not saying you need one. You can buy a 2.4C and not a 3.0 !!

I have put about 4000€ down on this machine. But that extreme. Why dont you people compare a 2500+ with a 2.4C ?!?!



Abit IC7 16 BIOS,
Vapochill PE Titanium -31,5 IDLE --20.5 Load
9800 Pro: Innovatek Rev 2.0 Core=474 and Mem=371
Chipset cooled my Aquacool Block
P4 2.6C @ 3606,67MHz 1109 FSB
2x256 MB Corsair 3200LL @ 443 MHz 2-6-3-2 @ 2.8V
2x WD 360GD Raptors 16K S-Size
4x WD400 BB Raid 0 on Promise 256K
1x 80 Maxtor ATA133 on SI Controller
SB Live 5.1 Digital
465 Watt Enermax 36A on 12V
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro modded R.I.P
Yamaha CDR-F1 Burner
Toshiba Burner DVD-Burner
21" Belinea CRT Monitor
22055 3D Marks 2001
6985 3D Marks 2003

Wow,he was just asking for a desktop computer!!

Well like I said. I need the power. I had the money so I got myself what I wanted.

But I sill recommend

Abit IC7
Intel 2.4C
2x256MB Corsair XMS 3200
SATA or ATA133 HD



Thats not too expensive, can be upgraded down the road (unlike AMD), is faster and safer to use (HEAT).

Thats a darn good little system, which you will like more than a 2500+ XP with a Asus A7 board. The Socket A is dead !! Single channel sucks!! Dont make him get something which is already obselete.

-Florian

there is very little hope that any current pentium board will support long term newer pentium cpu's,the 865 875 might support one version only of their next chip thats been done as a half way house,and evan thats not clear as intel change the specs every 10 minutes,the real future with them is with a tottally new socket

as the bottom lines going to be a lot more

yes the xp is at the end of the line,so what thats life in pc component terms,amd have their new cpu out now and the boards are now out as well,but in terms of bang for your money the xp on an nforce platforms still hard to beat

my friend's xp 1700 cost him 40 pounds,or 15 percent of what a P4 might have been,the board with soundstorm costs less than a creative soundcard that most rate its sound alone amongst inbuilt options to be on a par with

pay your money and make your choice,if you want bleeding edge you are right it is no longer the athlon,but benchmarks on the new cpu show amd are by no means dead

Ok, i will settle with your opinion.

Lets hope that both companys will kick each others butt so that WE will get good prices :-)

On the other side.

We all agree that Linux is great !!!!

I have a little problem with the support of the i875p :-) which you nforce guys dont have. LOL

Anyways I need the 2.6 kernel on my Slackware 9.1 or Redhat 9.0.

Can anyone tell me how to get the 2.6 kernel running.

Thanks

-Florian

Thanks.I had to think quite a lot for that reply.
about 2.6,just download the latest test version from kernel.org and compile them!!
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...threadid=91503
http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO/
--arun

Thank you very much. I wanna get away from this shitty Windows. Do you know of anyone who got CS 1.6 running in Linux?

-Florian

Hello
Mr. tillyoubreakit and Mr. arunshivanandan

Finaly i decide to purchase My new Pc , urs discussion make me easy fot final steps.
I am going on AMD , i have purchase MSI motherboard KT4V

(http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...oard/mbd/pro_m
bd_detail.php?UID=362 ) (recomended on AMD site)

but i am confused to purchase processor it has 2 models like in Xp 1800+ and Xp2000+ model 8 and model 10 . the AMD shope keeper dont know about this . tell me how can i identifiy processor model , and model what diifirence for performance and speed and which model is better for specialy my selected mother board.

i will post later that why and how i decied to purchase AMD

Thansk for all of u
waiting for reply

I've never heard any reference to model 8 and model 10 in relation to AMD CPUs, I can tell you that both those CPUs run on a 266MHz FSB and that obviously the XP2000 will be faster than the XP1800. The only thing I can think of is that it might indicate the two different core types available... Palomino and Thoroughbred. If this is the case you can actually tell simply by looking at the core, if it's square it's a palomino (bigger surface area provides more contact with the heatsink, therefore better heat transfer) if it's rectangular it's a Thoroughbred core and I'm not entirely certain what the advantage is... I've used both in the same system and can't say I noticed a difference.

As for "HEAT can kill your CPU" well, yes it can, in fact heat can kill pretty much any component in your PC... but seeing as Athlons are rated to 90 degrees C and shut themselves down before they reach that temperature anyway, I can't see it actually being a problem!

My main PC is an Athlon XP2000 and my second one is an XP2400, neither have problems overheating using cheap heatsinks and a bit of arctic silver III.

Hyperthreading is intended to make the best use of each CPU clock cycle and COULD offer a significant increase in performance but often doesn't.

I've also read reviews from people who own both an Intel and AMD chip of the same speed and say the AMD not only performs better but is also more stable. The only reason Intel can charge so much more for their chips is their brand name, everyone knows Intel make Pentium processors, but the average guy on the street looking to buy a home PC has never heard of AMD.

Well I dont want to start another discussion, but even Tomshardware and Hexus had made Video in which as we almost all know that the over heat temp shutdown feature does not work on AMD chips.

If you have enough faith then just take off the cooler on your AMD system while running and send us all a video :-)

Secondly, if Intel was unstable and slower (it is not), then buisinesses and I myself (who invested over 4000€) would not buy Intel.

--------Your AMD will die if you take the cooler off, try it ....it will burn !!!!!!!!-------------

And secondly AMD systems are only faster (clock per clock) than Intel Systems. You cant even compare them. Show me a Athlon which is faster then the sys in my specs thats not cooler with LN2 for 5mins...

-Florian