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Intel vrs AMD
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every one. i want to upgrade my computer in to Pentium-4. following motherboard i selected because of specifications and price issue , i need urs guiedance which is better in thses or nay other brand , for the time being i am purchasing celeron 1.8 or 2.0 after 2 months i will upgrade it in to Pentium 4 1.8A or later. MSI P4MAM-L Specifications link = http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=466 Intel D845GVAD2 http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/ad2/index.htm One of my friend suggest me to go on AMD plate form, any one who know about AMD please guied me about which processor and board is better in Amd nad some comperision between intel amd amd. i visit AMD site there are some model like Athlone XP and Athlon 64 . thanks regads |
I am using AMD Athlon XP 2000+ with ASUS A7N266 motherboard.AMD processors are cheaper.(In India,something like 3000 Ruppees).I found that it is quite good.Athlon 64 is 64 bit,just been released now.Dont go for it.About the motherboard,my motherboard a7n266 contains nforce chipset,which is famed for their linux support.(though you may have to upgrade your kernel to use the sheer speed and power nforce offers).There are planty of drivers available for it.also this contains onboard nvidia geforce 2 mx.http://www.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7n266/overview.htm).
i beleave ,in quality and price,AMD processors are better than intel ones. so,if you are going for AMD,go for some higherspeed processor(more than athlon xp 2100).and about motherboard,asus a7n.. ones.(check out their website) EDIT:just now only did i notice that you are from pakistan.I am from India.i dont know what you feel about Indians.Any way,all the best with your new system.Thanks arun |
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arunshivanandan thank you very much for reply. your nice guidance increased my interest for AMD. i am checking for price and model of board and processors available in local market. here price is like this xp1800 Rs.4000 xp2500 Rs.6500 i also visit urs recommended asus board i will check that available here or not. i am also searching for www.msi.com and chaintech.com for there model. available in local market in chainteck is 7nif2 and 7njl2 for AMD check it and specila in MSI and recommend me. and some one give me full detai of thses processore, like there FSB, cache, cache type (L2, L1) hyper threading, mhz, for Xp1700 to xp3200 i want to compare it with intel. Thanks Regards |
hi mobassir,
a hit at google would have given you the product information and lots of comparisons. checkout http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3736,00.html http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3750,00.html http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3759,00.html also,it is being said that athlon is having some heat problems.(though i havnt seen anyone experiancing it).the company says that there wont be any problem if you use a heat sink prescribed by AMD.also you will have some 3 year warranty. about motherboard,try to get something with nforce chipset.(nforce 3 is out,I hear.but need not be available in the market.so try getting nforce2 or nforce.(just google to see some nforce reviews( and why i make so fuss abt nforce) or checkout nforcersHQ.com) regards, arun |
I was always told (and always assumed from slight performace differences) that AMD held true to it's potential maximum more often.
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Some add ons:
Athlon naming pattern is not the same as intel ones.i.e,athlon xp 2000+ runs at 1.67ghz only.but amd says a 1.67ghz athlon is similar to a 2ghz intel p4.(More Work per clock speed-Quantispeed Technology-AMD says.) Athlon is cheaper than Intel ones. Moreover,when it comes to motherboards,there are really good motherboards,with nforce chipset etc.nforce is famed for their power,speed,linux supor etc.(visit www.nforcershq.com).there are motherboards with onboard nVidia Geforce cards(With stunning low prices). i.e, ------------------------- clockspeed=fsb speed x multiplier. clockspeed of athlon xp 2000+=1.67ghz. athlon xp 2000+ equals intel p4 2ghz(acc to AMD) i.e,fsb speed is lower. ---------------------------- suppose you are having a mobo with nforce.(like me,whose mobo is an asus a7n266). RedHat 9 can be installed in it without any problems.(or atleast,with the usuall procedures).I believe that kernel version 2.4.21 is the only one with full support for the nForce2 chipset and I don't think there's any major distro currently shipping with that version of the kernel. I'm sure you will be able to get things working with an older version of kernel, you just won't get all the speed and performance of the nForce2 chipset.there are drivers available for nforce.http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp also check out http://nforcershq.com/modules.php?n...ws&new_topic=18 and www.nforcershq.com and you will know why i am making so much fuss about nforce. |
I am using an AMD Athlon 1700XP with the Asus motherboard, and in my experience, it ROCKS. I advise all of my friends to go for it, because if you use Pentium, you have to pay atleast 150% more for getting the same performance. So, go for AMD!!!
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Im using AMD solely since my first 386 and never looked back at Intel since that time.
AMDs do have a drawback though: The heat. AMDs get much hotter than Intels of the same calibre and thus keeping control of your in-case temprature will become an issue a tad earlier. On the plus side of this phenomenon can be mentioned , that AMDs also can stand the heat much better than Intels. If an Intel gets too hot , it'll slow down 'till the temp is within the set boundaries again. This can be pretty frequent , even in "vanilla"-systems. If an AMD gets too hot , you stand a good chance of having to buy a new one. Never happened to me , but it did once to a friend of mine , who overclocked the hell out of his system ; It takes quite a lot of heat to "cook" an AMD. All in all , AMD is a good bet , as long as you're thinking of replacing both mainboard and CPU. (And in some cases , replacing both for AMD can be cheaper than a single Intel-cpu of the same "powerlevel") |
Have a look at some of the latest review on Epox Mboards, its what I use... http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEw
There are tons of Mboards out there just picking out what you need is tough...I do a lot of gaming so I went for the 400Mhz fsb with a GB of DDR 2900 Have a look at this site also... http://www.hardocp.com |
I junked a PC with an AMD k6 500mhz and SIS 530 chipset,
Now I regret that since I found out later that the K6 and the athlon XP used the same socket A, So if you want a PC that could be expanded for future improvements I suggest the AMD, Besides my old PC ran four years without stress except that the motherboard monitor indicated overheat. About the Intel Side, I cannot say they're bad but Intel changes the slot type with every procesor model so if you buy a PC with a P4 Socket, then you'll be stuck on that CPU unless you change the motherboard every two years. |
Moved: More suitable in Hardware, as it's really not a direct question asking about Linux, etc. Please try to place threads in the most appropiate forum. If you have a Linux question, place it in the Linux forums, if its only hardware, well, place it in the Hardware forum and if its not Linux related at all, well, place it in the General forum. Regards.
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Well Ill be the first to encourage you to get a Intel Platform :D
Well I would say that for Linux you shouldn´t go with the Intel i875p and i865 chipsets because of the support. I am sure the guys will get the support for the i875p chipset working. But for now its maybe not such a good Idea :-) If you need a good price/performance ratio than AMD is in favour over Intel. But if you can get an Intel i875p chipset with Dual Channel Corsait DDR400 or 433 and overclock a little 2.4C to 1GHz FSB @ over 3 GHz it will kill the Athlon in terms of performance. For windows (if you use it) intel chipsets are far more stable and have better quality drivers than VIA/nVidia or other ones. The Hyper Threading is a very nice feature. I am peeking over 6GB/s in Memory bandwith. Ok I dont run anything standard, but I have AMD and Intel Machines, but nothing I have found can beat my 3.6GHz, 1.1GHz FSB HT P4 Processor. (Altough cooled with a vapochill, there are many with very good results on air) If you need a lot of power, and dont want to buy very good and loud (air coolers) than I would settle for an Intel. The temperature is a lot less critical on Intel Processors. Just an example: If you were to accidentaly not fit the cooler on a AMD Processor and start your machine "it will burn", on the Intel hand it will just boot up --> then just shut itself down. The temperatures are a lot better distributet across the die because of the heat spreader. (which only the A64 has). The Hyper Threading is very nice if you do a lot of work simultanesly. There is no question about it at the moment that Intel makes the products with (better performace, more scalability, more stable, and better drivers support). The price difference is not exactly huge as it was a couple of years ago with the P4A with Rambus. I would recoomend a Abit IC7 coupled with a P4 2.4C and dual channel Corsair XMS3200LL (2-6-2-2), couple that with either one or 2 WD 360GD Hard Drives and you will have a very fast and stable system which currently is a much better choise than the nforce chipset with an AMD Processor. It has been shown (www.hardocp.com, www.hexus.net www.hothardware.com) that the current AMD line is deffinetly wrong with the naming of their Processors. The AMD XP3200 is not even close to a 2.6C or a 2.8C from Intel. I welcome you to read about it in the [H] Forums or at Abit. Even the die hard AMD Fans admit that the current line from AMD is no match for the current Intel line. Now the A64 is in my opinion not worth it at all, you can get better benchmarks and more processing power from a intel 2.6C @ 3.6 then with the A64. Now to compare it in 64bit to the Intel is pointless since the Intel cant do 64bit, which noone cares about since the only OS supporting the 64bit technology is Linux and a beta version of windows xp (MS in beta<--you know thats far from stable). The is pretty much no software for the A64 right now, and you need ECC Ram with very expensive boards to get it running. There is really no point for an A64 right now. So I will close this by saying that currenty the Intel is the better choice. (If you can afford them), if you are on a budget than by all means buy the AMD. AMD makes good products, there CPUs are very nice. But right now the Intel is simply a better product. I hope I helped you with your decision. Greetings -Florian PS: I hope you all can read my (German-English head translation) :-) These are my Specs: --------------------------------- Pictures of my Rig (http://rolandwolle.ath.cx/flo.html) Abit IC7 16 BIOS, Vapochill PE Titanium -31,5 IDLE --20.5 Load 9800 Pro: Innovatek Rev 2.0 Core=474 and Mem=371 Chipset cooled my Aquacool Block P4 2.6C @ 3606,67MHz 1109 FSB 2x256 MB Corsair 3200LL @ 443 MHz 2-6-3-2 @ 2.8V 2x WD 360GD Raptors 16K S-Size 4x WD400 BB Raid 0 on Promise 256K 1x 80 Maxtor ATA133 on SI Controller SB Live 5.1 Digital 465 Watt Enermax 36A on 12V ATI Radeon 9700 Pro modded R.I.P Yamaha CDR-F1 Burner Toshiba Burner DVD-Burner 21" Belinea CRT Monitor 22055 3D Marks 2001 6985 3D Marks 2003 Running Slackware 9.1 on Maxtor Windows XP SP1 on Raptor Raid (until I get Linux in my head) __________________ Music without Magneplanars is like watching a movie without a picture. A follow up: ---------------------------------- The Pentium 4 has a much complexer and more scalable core than the AMD Athlon XP. The Pentium 4-B and the Pentium 4-C is pretty much the same chip, but since the Pentium 4 has such a huge and overwhelming complexity and huge amount of pipelines they could ad such Harware features like Hyper Threading. The AMD Athlon XP 3200+ is listed at pricewatch for 403$ while the Pentium 4-C 3.0 is listed for 383$. Everyone who is not a fanboy knows that the Athlon XP 3200+ cannot hold a candle against the Pentium 4-C 3.0. The newest Pentium 4-C 3.2 (newest) costs 589$. Now you can see that in a matter of fact the Pentium 4-C is actually cheaper than AMD. The Athlon XP 3200 should be named Athlon XP 2600+. The Pentium 4-C 2.6 costs 196$. Now saying that the AMD is a little hotter than the Pentium 4-C is also wrong. The Pentium 4-C pumps up a lot more heat than the AMD Athlon XP. The reason why the Intel Pentium 4-C runs at overall lower temperatures is because the heat is being spread out overall better than it is on the AMD Athlon XP. If you just add case fans with no logic at all it will be worse than before ! Greetings Florian Quote:
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i guess its a [ctrl-c][ctrl-v] stuff from your earlier post.anyway,seems he has got some budjet constrains,and may not be able to afford 3gz with HT.[3gz+HT is something only the rich can buy,in India and Pakistan.].so i guess,you will agree with me on he going for an athlon 2500.(same performance,less expense).[abt the heat problem-therwont be any problems if you use the proper heat sink.also there is a 3 year warranty.]
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No not really. The Athlon XP 2500 is by far no match for the Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.5 GHz. The Socket A platform will be obselete, and AMD is not developing their new Processors for the Socket A anymore.
If he needs a system on a budget, which then he would like to upgrade down the road I would suggest a P4--A or a B or a C Processor. The warranty is the same from both Intel and AMD. The AMD platform is dying off !!, while intel still is going to make the next years processors based on their current chipset platform. You can also jump from single channel ddr to dual channel drr in the future. (Thats a difference of over 2.5GB/s) There is currently no sane option to recommend the AMD platform. -Greetings Florian PS: I copied some of my previus post because I dd not want to write it all over again. :-) And dont go to nforceHQ to get an opinion --what do you think "nforce" HQ will recommend :-) |
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