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Old 10-15-2003, 05:24 AM   #31
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Actually, when I put the 2400 in my 2nd machine I really couldn't be bothered with applying the arctic silver properly and put a bit too much on... the chip shut itself down everytime in was under load but stopped doing it when the paste was applied properly. Now, if you think about that logically the only explanation is that the chip shut itself down due to overheating.

I'll do you a deal, you do it with your Intel chip and I'll do it with my AMD one... after all, it'll only cost £60 to replace mine, unlike the £140 to replace an Intel one of the same speed!
 
Old 10-15-2003, 05:26 AM   #32
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HELLO
i found some info related model number check thises followin links.
now i can understand how to check model, only issue is remaining about selection of any model for its advantage then other

http://www.msi.com.tw/html/support/c...htm/amdcpu.htm

http://139.95.253.213/SRVS/CGI-BIN/W...xi=18,Case=obj(3821)

thanks
 
Old 10-15-2003, 05:32 AM   #33
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Some motherboards won't take Thoroughbred core CPUs, others will only take Thoroughbred CPUs and yet others are not fussy, so that's one thing to check with the motherboard you've chosen.

Other than that, I really couldn't say which was better, Thoroughbred or Palomino. You won't find any of the other cores at 1800 to 2000. The Spitfire, Morgan and T-Bird are all older cores while the Barton core is only available on 2600s and higher I think.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 09:51 AM   #34
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Actually, when I put the 2400 in my 2nd machine I really couldn't be bothered with applying the arctic silver properly and put a bit too much on... the chip shut itself down everytime in was under load but stopped doing it when the paste was applied properly. Now, if you think about that logically the only explanation is that the chip shut itself down due to overheating.

I'll do you a deal, you do it with your Intel chip and I'll do it with my AMD one... after all, it'll only cost £60 to replace mine, unlike the £140 to replace an Intel one of the same speed!
Well Fuck it, I dont care. Have fun with your Athlon Ill get back to some real power :-)

Have fun

PS: I have the money, so why should I settlle for some cheap ass chip like yours?
 
Old 10-15-2003, 10:08 AM   #35
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Well **** it, I dont care. Have fun with your Athlon Ill get back to some real power :-)

Have fun

PS: I have the money, so why should I settlle for some cheap ass chip like yours?
I don't think that's really necessary. I have money too, I just choose not to waste it on a chip that's more than twice as expensive for no gain in reliability or speed. After all, any chip will either shut itself down or fry whether it's AMD, Intel or any other make.

I'm sure you're not usually this juvenile so I'll let the comments pass.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 11:14 AM   #36
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No usually I am not. I am actually someone a little bit more friendly.

Here is a link just for you. This is from www.tomshardware.com AMD Athlon without cooler (or cooler failure)

It cant happen on a P4 since the Thermal controll is based inside the die. The Athlon relies on the BIOS.

I am sorry for my used words, but the fact remains that if you want the fastest chip and the best performance money can buy. (commercially) Then it is not the AMD Athlon anymore.

-Florian

PS: This is for all HT is no real improvemt people (with AMD) P4 HT

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Old 10-16-2003, 12:19 AM   #37
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Yeah, I kinda screwed up my bios(I should really learn not to screw with random settings) and my computer wouldn't do much of anything on bootup....so I figured it was the processor(I didn't know much about hardware a few months ago, learned quick) I figured I fried it cause I was messing with processor settings. Well, it didn't have any physical damage and put it back in, tied the heatsink in and booted up. Didn't work again. I look inside the case and see that I didn't plug in the fan. I plugged it in, the heatsink hurt when my finger touched it and then I remembered the clear CMOS jumper to reset CMOS so I cleared CMOS and booted up. It still runs fine. I wish I still had windows in it now, so I could benchmark it with sandra to check if it works as well but it seems to. Don't know if this really applies but it seems to have shut down my processor.
 
Old 10-16-2003, 03:24 AM   #38
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Well, the first link is something to do with video cards, not entirely certain how it applies but I did find this on the same site:

"64-bit Apple G5s trounced by Athlon 64s, Opterons

Tests putting an Athlon 64 FX-51, and a 2GHz dual Opteron up against a 3.2GHz Pentium 4 and two PowerMac G5 systems have AMD's 64-bit offerings mashing up the Apple and pulping the Pentium. "The Athlon 64 FX system outperforms the 64-bittish G5 systems in most of the benchmarks, including Premiere 6, Word, and Quake III. Apple-friendly Photoshop, still performs best on the platform, though, the dual G5 managing a 15 per cent performance lead over the Athlon 64 FX-51."

As for the videos, if I can be bothered I'll take a look when I get home. My motherboard doesn't have a shutdown feature as it's a cheap ECS one yet the chip still shuts down if it gets hot.

At the end of the day Intel is your preference and you're entitled to that opinion.

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Old 10-16-2003, 03:55 AM   #39
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What kind of comparance is that.

A 64bit Athlon and a 64bit G5 against a 32bit intel. !!! You must be joking. Use a 64bit Itanium and watch it rock the AMD.

-Florian

PS: As we all know, and even the [H] said that the Benchmark tool for 64bit from AMD is totally optimized for the A64. The Apple G5 is optimized for the G5 core. And how come you dont include a 64bit itanium.

You cant compare Apples with Peaches!!!

Please post a link to that rediculous benchmark of yours where they compare 2 64bit CPUs against a 32bit CPU.

PS #2: I supplied a link were they compare 32bit CPU against CPUs that can do 32bit.

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Old 10-16-2003, 04:00 AM   #40
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Don't look at me, you supplied the URL
 
Old 10-16-2003, 05:59 AM   #41
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Operton has trounced Itanium.They are definitly better.And Itanium is almost a flop.
anyway,we were discussing about 32bit processors,right??
 
Old 10-16-2003, 06:27 AM   #42
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Yes, lets forget the 64bit Arena for now ok?

I would not call the Itanium a flop. Intel has according to Microsoft (we are a MS partner) 85% of the Server market. AMD is not even inside the door.

I know this is a linux forum, but Linux is still far away from becomming a really big player in the Area were the Datacenter Server is now.

Dont get me wrong, AMD makes great CPUs. But AMD is currently not a big player in the Server and Prof. Workstation market.

The current line of Athlon XP Processors are simply not as fast as Intel. They are better if you compare them $ by $ . The Opteron and the Athlon FX51 will not be massely bought by current AMD fans. According to a survey on www.overclockers.com 75% of all AMD Fans will not by the FX51 or the Opteron. Because of the money they have to put down, they could just buy an Intel.

Just agree with me that AMD has the wrong company image with their new CPUs. Most AMD People will never buy a 700$ FX51 with ECC Ram.

-Florian

PS: And a 3200+ is no match for a 3.4 3.6 or higher P4 -C

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Old 10-16-2003, 06:47 AM   #43
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PS: And a 3200+ is no match for a 3.4 3.6 or higher P4 -C
Why should it be? It will be a match for a 3.2GHz P4 though, which is what it's rated as. However, when you consider that the price difference is:

£340.70 AMD
£484.95 Intel

That's £140+ more for a processor that does the same number of calculations per second... why? Because Intel are like Microsoft, new PCs come with Intel chips and Windows as standard. My PC here at work is an P4 2.0GHz, my main PC at home is an AMD Athlon XP2000+ and I'd swap this machine for an AMD one any day!
 
Old 10-16-2003, 07:34 AM   #44
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What board, ram,timings,are you using in the work pc and the one @ home. Do you use the same drives, the 2.0 has either 400 or 533 FSB. Not 800 or 1000. It also doesnt have HT. If you watched the video and read a bit, you know that HT brings big improvemts over none. And after all the P4 C offers Dual Channel Memory which your Home PC doesnt do. If you like the FX51, then you need dual channle. But the price for Dual Channel ECC Ram is through the roof.

Again, your a comparing Apples to Peaches

And you cant compare a FX51 with a P4 since the

Athlon A64FX = 754$ and the 3.2 P4 = 550$ thats a differnece too. Plus you need the ECC Ram with the FX.......

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Old 10-16-2003, 07:41 AM   #45
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can amd FSB be compared with Intel FSB??Since clock speed =multiplier x fsb speed,and amd processors have less clock speed than their corresponding intel ones(due to Quantispeed,1.67 athlon 2000+ does the same thing as 2 p4),fsb speed will also be lower.
Take a look at http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3759,00.html
 
  


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