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Old 10-22-2014, 06:24 PM   #136
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Malware to me is advertisements which perpetuate and draw down my system where I end up having to reinstall my OS just to get it clean.
That is a minor form of malware. There are much more dangerous kinds. If malware was only about advertisements, people would not be so concerned about it.

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Spyware ... Yeah ... I can see that happening in a browser, but I don't see it anywhere else.
Spyware can enter a system through a browser, but why do you think it cannot be a feature of a system? The name should be a clue; spyware. Spying is watching in secret. If spying is not hidden, it is not very effctive.
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Give something more substantive to those claims. Because I'm just not seeing that.
There is lots of information out there. Read and enjoy.
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You,re not ignorant rtmistler for not knowing this dirty little secret of *untu flavours
Actually he is. You are confusing ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing about something. Stupidity is not being smart enough to understand it. The two are usually not related.
 
Old 10-22-2014, 07:25 PM   #137
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You,re not ignorant rtmistler for not knowing this dirty little secret of *untu flavours, believe me maybe 95% of *untu users don,t even know this sort of things exists in their OS, it,s not because ignorance, it,s because usually we,re not searching around what the OS is doing.
From my knowledge, which I admit may not be complete with regards to this because I don't use any *buntu anymore, the "spyware is only part of Unity. If you have Unity you have Dash (which is the spyware), if you have other flavours without Unity (and therefore Dash) you don't have spyware. Please feel free to correct me and show me proof that I am wrong though.
 
Old 10-22-2014, 07:35 PM   #138
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You mean dash the shell? That's the default shell in Debian and all of its derivatives AFAIK, regardless of the chosen DE, and I don't believe it has anything at all to do with the selling of personal information to 3rd parties without the user's knowledge or consent.
 
Old 10-22-2014, 08:23 PM   #139
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You mean dash the shell?
No I mean Dash the search function that is part of Unity and not part of any other DE. It is accessed through the Ubuntu icon on the top of the side panel in Unity.
 
Old 10-22-2014, 08:27 PM   #140
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No I mean Dash the search function that is part of Unity
Well that's not confusing at all. Go Ubuntu!

In that case, yes I believe you're right. As far as I understand it, the selling of personal information is limited to the usage of the search function built into the Unity desktop.
 
Old 10-22-2014, 09:21 PM   #141
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Well that's not confusing at all. Go Ubuntu!
The capital D (Dash vs dash) makes a huge difference
 
Old 10-23-2014, 12:03 PM   #142
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https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/...-global-users/

Btw!
 
Old 10-23-2014, 01:41 PM   #143
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http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_b...sages/638.html

FWI!
 
Old 10-23-2014, 02:19 PM   #144
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Yeah, so great. A link about the Ubuntu announcement and historical reference about conn men. Nice. Suicidaleggroll was better in saying "just google for it".

And now I'm laughing. 12.10 Release - blah-blah-blah. Stallman, others complaining, and also pretty obvious visual things to see.

I'm running 12.04. That's why I'm sitting here saying "I don't get it", because I'm not seeing it, literally. Guess I won't upgrade. Yeah, I'd hate to see that happen:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/1...and-data-leaks
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...acks-searches/

OK point agreed upon.
 
Old 10-23-2014, 02:58 PM   #145
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I wondering about these spyware/malware claims. What's the substance behind this people? I use Ubuntu. I don't have things popping up annoying me. I've not had system problems. I don't accept upgrades and instead install a new LTS at the time of my choosing. Any things that do come up asking me if I want to offer feedback, I reject mainly because that's my personal behavior. But I don't see much of that happen.
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Spyware is similar to Malware, however spyware is also more to the effect of stuff designed to either grab my most personal information or to grab focused information so they can make advertisements tailored to suit what they think I need. Yeah ... I can see that happening in a browser, but I don't see it anywhere else. I see it happen in the browser because I end up having to accept and allow scripts to run just to view content sometimes and as much as I try to protect, you end up having to wage battle against those sites because they try, try, try so hard to get it so you accept and share all cookies and so forth. But that's a BROWSER thing; one which I deal with in Windows as well as Linux via Add-Ons to Firefox, or consider a different browser - which I haven't ever done yet.
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What's the substance behind that? You really want to know? Here it is...

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We don't share your personal information with anyone except to provide you with services, products, to comply with the law, or to protect our rights.
We don't store personal information unless required for the on-going operation of services to you, to provide you with products, to comply with law or to protect our rights.
http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-an...privacy-policy

A polite way of saying "Any personal info you give us we're gonna give to Amazon and anyone else who wants it, OK?"

Just another money machine.

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Tell me how to detect/monitor/determine if I'm ignorant and really end up do having spyware/malware.

Or

Give something more substantive to those claims. Because I'm just not seeing that.
Again, you asked for it. Here's some good reads for you:
FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
Richard Stallman, launched GNU and founded the Free Software Foundation
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html

Have fun.
 
Old 10-23-2014, 03:36 PM   #146
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Nowadays, privacy is not precisely something technology provide to us, all our personal info its sended to some company or kept for some goverment, even facebook is sending all our personal life to plenty of companies, so I wouldn't worry about *ubuntu spyware Windows OS also has his own one lol.
 
Old 10-23-2014, 04:41 PM   #147
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Again, you asked for it. Here's some good reads for you:
FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
Richard Stallman, launched GNU and founded the Free Software Foundation
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html

Have fun.
A user called "ihatewindows" posting links to stallman propaganga...

butnut's only crime was putting in some amazon ads in their unity shopping lens thing - which could be turned off by the user. The same users who ranted about this probably ran mozilla or chrome browsers which report your every move to google... as ever it's a case of clueless ranting coupled with the sheeple effect.
 
Old 10-23-2014, 05:33 PM   #148
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:04 PM   #149
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butnut's only crime was putting in some amazon ads in their unity shopping lens thing
This comment is a simplification of reality.
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which could be turned off by the user.
The complaint voiced most often wasn't that it was there but rather that it was enabled by default. Things like Popcon ask you if you want to take part, Dash doesn't.
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The same users who ranted about this probably ran mozilla or chrome browsers which report your every move to google... as ever it's a case of clueless ranting coupled with the sheeple effect.
As for Mozilla and Chrome most people realise that once you're connected to the net, unless you take specific precautions, Google knows what you are doing anyway. Most people don't expect their file search function, even without opening a browser, to report back to Amazon though.
 
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Actually, I think crash reported and Amazon may now be mentioned during the install but I am not positive. Note, after Install & future system updates. A simple way to fix this is sudo apt-get purge whoopsie this is what I have read.

As far as google search, that only if you are signed in. (Note, you may need to delete the cookies and offline information to prevent google from tying it to your account) If using chrome you have to disable apps as well.

I also read the Windows 10 is suppose to be more secure. It may cause problems installing Linux though. One thing I don't like is the bios calling home, if I understand that correctly. Plus it will force people to have high speed Internet or you can't use your computer. Some areas in the U.S (Not here) they only have dial-up. I am on high speed

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