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View Poll Results: Human Caused Climate Change is Real?
Yes 45 71.43%
No. It's a Hoax 14 22.22%
Jury Isn't In Yet 4 6.35%
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:06 PM   #121
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Taking my baby steps at living eco friendly but I aint perfect.

Bicycles are built and functional.
Solar still is giving me 5 gallons of distilled water daily.
Shop is built out of highly reflective steel in desert hot conditions. It reflects sunlight back to the sky.
My electricity is supplied by Wind Turbines and solar panels.

My gas foot print is small when I commute on my motorcycle.

The I aint perfect part is when I turn down the thermostat on a 115F day on my 3 phase central a/c unit.
I use 60 inch floor fan in the shop while working in 156F ambient temps. I am a human swamp cooler.

So personal comfort is a weakness I can afford to support. Being lucky to be born and raised like I was.
Something other members on the planet < mostly rural but also urban > have a hard time supporting that weakness.

Hard part of all of this. Ya gotta burn something to push something.
But. I got skills that can turn a skate board into a street wind surfer.
Problem with that.
All the cars and trucks.
Roky, good job! What about adobe, ex: Santa Fe, NM etc...?
 
Old 09-19-2018, 05:22 AM   #122
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I use 60 inch floor fan in the shop while working in 156F ambient temps. I am a human swamp cooler.
156F?! So, around 68C?! The most I've stood is 44C (around 111.2F, I think), and that has been more than enough, especially when the weather is humid.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 09:18 AM   #123
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oops. Double Post. So I'll use the space for the New Mexico question.

Always wanted to live there. Almost bought me a place in La mesa NM before I bought my ranch.

But circumstances and fate intervened . My life had a different path to take.

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Old 09-19-2018, 09:21 AM   #124
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I am just a one man crew.

So adobe is too much labor and time for one dude in his 60's . Especially in this heat. If I had help. Which involves more money hiring a crew and trucking in dump trucks of mud and straw. Then yeah. I could'a got a city building permit for that as long as I pass city code building requirements.

Something that my current building covers in spades since my wife used to be the city building inspector.

I don't live at my ranch anymore where I was more in control of what I could erect without having to request outside permission, the pay them and follow their guidelines. After the kids grew up. Wife wanted to walk to the store.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 10:36 PM   #125
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I use 60 inch floor fan in the shop while working in 156F ambient temps. I am a human swamp cooler.
From someone who has worked in +100F, +150 sounds intensely hot. I would be thinking about going nocturnal, at that point.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 03:49 AM   #126
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Temperatures of 140F are considered at the threshold of pain but I tend to recoil at anything above 130+. At 156F I'd need a Haxmat suit. (sorry for apparent typo I broke my key for the letter that comes after "Y" and haven't figured out yet how to fix it short of buying a complete kbd)
 
Old 09-20-2018, 07:13 AM   #127
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I would be thinking about going nocturnal, at that point.
Skeeters love monsoon season. West Nile hits hardest at dusk and dawn. I would have to buy a lot of deet

Like presently. I'm in the house. Bustelo coffee steaming. Inside it is 85F . The wife complains about the humidity and heat. I say open the doors since it is round about 71F outside presently

Code:
~$ pinxi -xxx -W 79772
Weather:
  Temperature: 19 C (66 F) Conditions: Clear 
  Wind: from SSW at 3.6 m/s (13 km/h, 8 mph) Humidity: 78% 
  Pressure: 1018 mb (30.07 in) Dew Point: 15 C (59 F) Location: 79772 
  altitude: 787 m (2582 ft) Current Time: Thu 20 Sep 2018 11:58:16 AM CDT 
  Observation Time: September 20, 1:15 AM CDT
Her reply. Hell no. I'll turn on the A/C cuz the skeeters will come inside if you leave the doors open. I don't have skeeter proof screen doors. They are not needed most of the year in the desert.

However climate change turns out. I'll be dead and it will one of the rare things that matter 100 years from now.
Unlike my and others grandiose life plans that are so personally important, on this planet, that won't matter 100 years from now or amount to hill of beans.

Edit: Guys. I don't camp out in 156F. I step in and out of the shade with the fan blowing on me.

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Old 09-20-2018, 07:45 AM   #128
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@rokytnji, I happen to know from experience that 150 deg water is what a person uses to scald chickens before plucking. Just Saying....

@Every one who thinks a bicycle is the way to go.

I've got hundreds (likely even thousands) of miles on a bicycle. I'm telling you is absolutely dangerous anymore. Not that biking is dangerous in itself. It's the people who have absolutely no respect for anything, and in their everlasting hurry, have a huge problem with getting stuck behind anything going slow. Not just bikes either, I'm talking farm equipment and implements, people walking, etc too.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 03:39 PM   #129
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Mill J, I completely agree regarding bicycles. I love them, its fun, exercise and transportation all at once, however, in most places in the USA I would never ride a bike outside of a designated bike/running trail, or on the sidewalks in states that permit it. People are just too damned distracted anymore to make riding on the road safe, I don't know how the people on motorcycles do it. I rode a motorcycle many years ago a few times, wouldn't do it today, people are too crazy/distracted.

Now, regarding bike trails, there is a fantastic trail (actually paved) that runs from Daytona Beach to Tampa, FL (well its almost complete there are a few miles not connected yet, so you have to go on a side street then hop back on). Also, wonderful trails (real dirt trails) in New Hampshire through the farms, hills, lower mountainous areas.
 
Old 09-21-2018, 06:25 AM   #130
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Today I watched a fascinating video of a symposium at Amherst featuring Dinesh D'Souza ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9bu6CP318 ) in which he rather soundly trounces a student who likely qualifies as an example of Social Justice Warrior. Because at least two here have asked me what I'm doing to fight Human Global Climate Change it seems to me some here are in a similar position to Dinesh and I'd like to speak to that.

If you watch the video at around 10:40 it seems to me Dinesh should have continued on exploring that direction but instead he chooses to continue his immediate and personal engagement with the student, probably because he "smells the blood", but I think it is missing an extremely important point and what should have been the focus of the talk.

At 10:50 he states (paraphrased here) "we have had sanctioned racism and inequality in the past so let's stop... let's treat people according to the content of their character - equal rights under the law". I've emboldened the parts that I think are salient because all systems are designed, assuming any efficacy at survival, to resist change and over time become "the dog biting it's tail" in an endless feedback loop. To imagine that one person, even considering the effects of example and influence on others over time, could possibly make any serious difference simply by example is as ludicrous as trying to save a sinking "boat" much like the fabled "screen door on a submarine" by choosing to bail out with a soup can. This unfortunately was the student's choice exemplified by his embarrassing tutoring commitment when what would have been better is working toward changing the laws that created the sanctions in the first place.

However it was Dinesh's choice to focus on the immediate personal victory rather than addressing the point that to 'stop the sub from sinking" we should get the Captain to batten down the damned hatch.

I didn't start this thread to crow at my supposed moral superiority. I started it because it seems to me important to gauge the percentages of how many hang on to the "sanctions" of Status Quo and resist all change even denying the need in the face of solid evidence versus the numbers who have seen the evidence for what it is and oppose such obstruction wherever they find it and hopefully end up voting for candidates unafraid to stand up for what is real and oust those like the Emperor who wears no clothes, claiming he is decked out in finery. It seems most important to apply pressure where the greatest effect can occur and for us "down here" that is in voting and with voters. That to me is "the cake" and "the frosting" is doing what we can to demonstrate that even under a heavily biased system we can still make some choices that improve our part even though that is a minor effort until new sanctions make more such choices and make them cheaper and more effective. It has to start somewhere and long journeys and big changes all start with The First Step..
 
Old 09-24-2018, 07:09 PM   #131
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The Bomb Has Dropped

While I'm quite certain those who think Human caused Global Climate Change is a hoax will continue to do so awhile longer and probably consider this just "fake news' but a ,totally independent coalition of scientists appointed by the United Nations has dropped a stunning bombshell. They aren't getting rich off this. They're just worried and maybe a little frightened.

Here's a sample quote...
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Originally Posted by Coalition of UN Scientists as Reported in the Washington Post
Most strikingly, the document says the world’s annual carbon dioxide emissions, which amount to more than 40 billion tons per year, would have to be on an extremely steep downward path by 2030 to either hold the world entirely below 1.5 degrees Celsius, or allow only a brief “overshoot” in temperatures. As of 2018, emissions appeared to be still rising, not yet showing the clear peak that would need to occur before any decline.

Overall reductions in emissions in the next decade would probably need to be more than 1 billion tons per year, larger than the current emissions of all but a few of the very largest emitting countries. By 2050, the report calls for a total or near-total phaseout of the burning of coal.

and ....

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Originally Posted by further on the above
The document in question was produced relatively rapidly for the cautious and deliberative IPCC, representing the work of nearly 100 scientists. It went through an elaborate peer-review process involving tens of thousands of comments.
Here's the full article...
--- Independent Report - We Have About 10 years ---

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Old 10-09-2018, 04:17 AM   #133
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Yeah, looks like this planet is ****ed up beyond repair. Let's go find another one.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 11:20 AM   #134
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How likely do you think it is that we will all suddenly start living like we did in 1950?

Yup. Zero likelihood!!

BrianL, the planet is not ****ed up. The planet has handled many a global warming phase before and it will probably do what it did at the beginning of the Permian. There will be a mass extinction event and we will be in it. After we are gone, things will gradually get back to normal.
 
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This is not a binary situation. It is not yet beyond repair. It simply remains to be seen if humans have evolved far enough to take note and take action instead of preferring to whistle distractedly between bouts of chanting "Business, as usual" while playing the child's game of covering the face saying "I can't see you so you can't see me". Part of that has to do with what may be the difference between people who have always been poor and who grow up with the most stark options which include

1) Struggle my ass off to build a sustainable lifestyle and still be feared when not invisible and reviled for "coming from the wrong side of the tracks"
2) Starve and perpetuate my family's low class starvation (literal and figurative)
- or
3) resort to crime and take what I need
...
and people who have wealth and power (and feel entitled) suddenly faced with almost everything turning upside-down (certainly drinking water becoming more precious than gold)reacting and deciding what they will do to insure their family's survival. What do you think they will do? Will they suddenly understand the real meaning of "the Pale Blue Dot" that we are quite literally all "in the same Boat" and work to improve "living conditions" many who grew wealthy exactly by destroying those conditions, or will they lockdown and declare some level of martial law whether on their own estates, the surrounding county, the State, or the entire Nation, etc and how will competing similarly entitled wealthy and powerful groups respond to that?

Yeah Mother Earth will be just fine. It's just far more fragile things that well may not be able to adapt. If you prefer keeping your head in the sand chanting "I'm OK. Your OK" I suggest you stay far away from the exquisitely written (but brutally dark) novel, "The Road". However one that is in that vein but quantum leaps less threatening is quite old...

Quote:
Originally Posted by "Ozymandias" - Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792 - 1822

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

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