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enorbet 08-02-2018 12:47 PM

Too Little, Too Late? - NY Times Finally Pulls Out the All the Stops on Climate Change
 
Well, Gents it's High Stakes Poker time as in "Read "em and Weep". This is superb journalism but what I'd like to know is where was it 30 years ago?... or is it just easier to highlight big stories in the Digital Age?

Check this out --- Long Term Study on Climate Change is Bad News (we almost fixed it)---

RandomTroll 08-02-2018 02:22 PM

What difference would it have made? The NY Times has been calling for the elimination of the Electoral College since 1936. Svante Arrhenius pointed out the warming effects of CO2 in 1894 (he thought it would be to the good, increase agricultural production). I remember explaining it to a girlfriend's family back then. I remember a distinguished Yale economist who argued that it would cost less to fix the damages than to prevent them.

rokytnji 08-02-2018 02:40 PM

Well, red neck logic is in charge, by popular demand, so you can throw facts into the septic tank. I already live in a hot zone.

I should be dead when water hit's 20 bucks a gallon. Glad my planet polluting central a/c is humming away nicely. It will be replaced when it breaks, because in the desert. It is a needed appliance. That or dig a big man cave hole. Because when you get down to it. In the end. It is still, all about me.

Adobe and Hay houses may just be the ticket for surviving some of this on a low budget. But no body is pushing this via main stream . Lumber and brick is still king.

My great grand kids have a tough row to hoe. Seeing that Jimmy Carter was considered a idiot. He installed Solar Thermal Panels on the White House roof and was considered a laughing stock for being a caring human being. Red Neck logic again.

Nice article. Maybe should be shot into space .

Edit: Citation:

Code:

$ pinxi -W pecos,tx
Weather:
  Temperature: 37 C (98 F) Conditions: Clear
  Current Time: Thu 02 Aug 2018 07:23:04 PM CDT


ChuangTzu 08-02-2018 04:04 PM

yawn...

https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures.../31/id/602999/
https://polarbearscience.com/2017/12...uesome-photos/
http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/05/...limate-change/
https://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2017/...t-me-to-death/


Inuit's have reported there are too many polar bears and the population is growing rapidly.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle4099460/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...avut-1.4628156

fido_dogstoyevsky 08-02-2018 06:24 PM

Retired chemist, just voted yes.

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 5886958)
...This is superb journalism but what I'd like to know is where was it 30 years ago?...

Actually closer to four decades... it was a serious discussion topic while I was an undergraduate in the early seventies.

rokytnji 08-02-2018 06:53 PM

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yawn...
Yeah, I would also at Anthony Watts spewing expertise in this field of study.

enorbet 08-02-2018 10:53 PM

It was my intention to "avoid the fray" and be impartial in this thread but I just have to comment that as always I enjoy your comments and redneck logic, rokytnji, and I especially appreciate and applaud your blog entry regarding the still. Cool stuff and rather important hack. Kudos.

.... and Anthony Watts? You mean "I'm not an expert but I played one on TV" Anthony Watts?

ondoho 08-03-2018 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomTroll (Post 5887002)
Svante Arrhenius pointed out the warming effects of CO2 in 1894 (he thought it would be to the good, increase agricultural production). I remember explaining it to a girlfriend's family back then.

you are much older than i thought! respect!

strange how the "debunking" always seems to concentrate on one or two aspects only, often involving colourful imagery.
contrary to popular news coverage, global warming has all sorts of complex effects (not necessarily resulting in warmer weather, as the name might imply), is clearly measurable, and has long been considered a scientfic fact.
of course, in a world where darwinism is being "debunked" as a non-fact... - well, i just learned that fact & theory are not opposed terms...

hazel 08-03-2018 08:12 AM

Realistically there never was anything we could have done about global warming. Nothing could be done back in the 1980's because there was no way the human race was going to inflict a drastic and permanent cut on its standard of living unless there was overwhelming proof that our survival depended on it. And back then, there was no real evidence of any such thing. Now the evidence is stacking up and eventually it will amount to proof, but nothing really effective can be done because it is already much too late.

jsbjsb001 08-03-2018 08:51 AM

You should have added another option to your poll enorbet. Like "Other" or "Climate Change is real but not human/man-made."

I'm sorry, but the climate has been changing since the dawn of time - so it can't be "man-made". It's a natural fundamental process that would have happened regardless of whether we graced the poor (and no doubt sorry) Earth or not.

We have accelerated a fundamental process and therefore, we have sped up that same process to be seeing what we are with wild weather, more destructive storms, hotter (and colder) temperatures, etc.

RandomTroll 08-03-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 5887229)
you are much older than i thought! respect!

Finally, the respect I deserve. Svante & I were buds - great pastries!

fatmac 08-03-2018 10:27 AM

Sweltering in 80+F here, when, in my youth, the high temps used to be mid 60F that used to get me 'melting'. :)

Yes, most of it is man made, the excessive use of carbon fuels has caused a lot of it, & that has been proven - we should have stayed pedalling our bikes! :D

DavidMcCann 08-03-2018 10:35 AM

I'd like to know just what qualifications the 3 skeptics have! For the record, I did do a bit of climatology at Cambridge.

Of course, when the US Bible Belt turns into a dust-bowl ravaged by ever-more powerful tornadoes, at least the rest of us will be able to say "we told you so!" to the trumpkin!

hazel 08-03-2018 10:38 AM

@jsbjsb: it's true that there have been many episodes of global warming (and global cooling!) before we came on the scene. The biggest such episode was at the end of the Permian era. It was apparently caused by massive supervolcano eruptions in Siberia, and it caused the biggest ever mass extinction event. The extinction of the dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous was a mere blip by comparison. Do we really want to go there again?

As an aside, I wonder what contribution to global warming the cryptocurrency craze is making?

ChuangTzu 08-03-2018 03:09 PM

The earth warms, the earth cools, the poles flip, the north and south poles become the equator, the equator becomes the north and south poles. Its called cycles, Natural Laws etc... it has occurred long before man took his/her first step, it will continue long after he/she takes their last step.

One natural/universal law is that the only constant in life, the only thing that remains unchanging is change itself. Perhaps, its time to add an * to this law that states, mankind's tendency to profit from that change is a new evolutionary trait.

These redundant threads are becoming quite comical, how many different ways do you need to rehash the same concept/idea?


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