Yea, imagine if software was written like that. Everyone writing software that the programmer could understand and use just fine. Should the programmer care about other people, those things called "users"? You'll say to the programmer "I don't think your software will every be used by many people" and the programmer says "I can use it just fine, it does everything I need." The scenario is completely identical to the attitudes of those in the linux community like you, who only care about it working for themselves and the comparatively limited scope of what they themselves do.

Good thing jeremy didn't think like you when he made linuxquestions.org. Or you wouldn't be able to click the Quote button right now.

My machine doesn't really have downtime between OS upgrades, new kernels and power failures. There is no way I can get uptimes in years tho, heck I upgrade the entire OS every year, with kernel updates between that, sometimes often. I even will shut down at times just as I'm too lazy to sort out, find and kill a rogue app. The important thing is having a machine that doesn't shutdown unexpectedly and for apparently no reason, as MS is prone to do...

Good God! Yet another one of these threads? Will it ever end? Oh the humanity!

i think the problems is more like the incorrect usage of definations of "programmers" , "gurus" , "experts in <something>" and the like ... i guess anything or anyone other than the above mentioned are just users(i cant understand the word "power user") like us and our tools ... we reaped their fruits whenever we can , many times its their job to just sower the seeds ...



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I have added Rotwang's thread to the megathread because it's really about that sort of thing.

I might not be a tech-guru, but I doubt the following information is correct:


It was here:
http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/...chnical/linux/

Since when is TCP/IP a security system?
And new with Vista? ^^

And all this stuff about Linux being European... I'm sure there are a lot of Linux developers who live in the US.

Was fun to read though.
(Somehow, they managed to miss the Devil logo of the BSD...)

The only thing that scares me if this site manages to convince people. :s
It reminds me that I must always stay critical about infos on the net (and in general).

edit:
Uh, I forgot this one:
Yeah, it will soon have finished the installation. After that, it will just restart...

The only reason why windows wins, IMHO:

My friends were talking about PCs, and a few told me "Windows XP" when I asked them how fast it was. Another said "Windows is just there on your PC". Sure, so the later was partially right, but still:

Students at young ages aren't shown the alternatives.

It's just Mac or (Win)PC to them. No Linux, Solaris, GNU, BSD, or anything else. Windows is the true cancer here, attaching itself to younger generations. Students like me who attempt to change are stuck in the crossfire, and risk severe problems; attempting to break into the BIOS to use LiveCDs, pointlessly ask for Linux in the school, spend 700$ on a Mac Mini/Laptop that might be stollen, or work at home with linux, and still risk incompabilities.

At least over here in Ottawa. And you'd think they'd support a local corporation, Xandros, who's only crime was developping some proprietary software, rather than MS, who's only crime takes 8 books to record. They have NO F/OSS IN THE SCHOOL. What the hell!?! At a time when Linux is driving forward in every market it has yet to dominate (See: Desktops and laptops) they still stick with windows!

If it wasn't for MS's products being solely used in schools like that, because I remember growing up everything was by MS, Adobe, and Macromedia too, Linux would pwn' the market, and we'd have students who know what their doing.

Amen on both counts brother!

Tell me that wasn't a serious blog..........No one could be that stupid!!!!!!!..........could they?

Don't forget to mention childish and retarted. The user interface of Windows XP looks like it was marketed for the ages 3-5, and Vista's interface looks like it was designed by canival workers.
Why retarted? After installing windows, you must sit like a zombie in from of your pc tower and feed it cds for about an hour until you can use it.

I am interested in the comment about trying to get Linux into the schools. I also live in the Ottawa area and I can recall the fights of the public school board to the idea of having Windows in the schools when my little rugrats crawled their way through Secondary School. They were Mac all the way. The other board was the reverse for exactly the same reason.

There are a number of schools and boards in the UK that have successfully switched to Linux. Maybe we need to capture their approach, ideas and especially "look out for"'s and then assemble it as a package the same way we develop our software. We can add Skolelinux's and Edubuntu's and others's experience and contacts in successful and unsuccessful implementations.

Once we have a package, we can lead the horse to the water AND get him to drink. Right now he's still in his stall . I' ll help any way I can.

As for Shelley The Republican, I imagine if anyone takes Shelley seriously, that is a person we don't want paddling about and polluting our swimming hole. That is the kind of person that would take BOFH seriously, try to feed his mouse, shut down his computer by unplugging it from the wall, etc. etc. Nobody can take that seriously because nobody outside of a mental ward could be THAT wrong on EVERYTHING.

Here is another plus for Linux, better hardware support, despite everyone thinking Windows has better hardware support. I've probably mentioned my CD burner in a USB enclosure which required two drivers, one for the drive and one for the enclosure for my wife's XP Sp2 laptop plus Cd writing software to really do anything useful. I plugged the same hardware in my slackware machine and it worked fine, no drivers needed. Same with my scanner, Linux used it without any need to installing software like her XP machine. Then I bought a $30 DVD burner and stuck is in another USB enclosure. XP was the same, driver for the enclosure needed, driver for the drive needed and Nero CD needed which came with the drive. Plugged into Linux and k3b found it and let me burn without any driver installation.
Just bought a Cannon DC22 camcorder, plugged its USB cable into Linux and it shows up as a mountable drive, no drivers or software needed, XP needs drivers and software installed.

Yeah, not many people know how much work goes on behind the counter in computer stores to make sure Windows boxes support all the hardware...

Windows XP aint that bad.. at least with it it's easy to get ip-over-firewire going, which is perfect for writing on HFS+ volumes effortlesly. On linux I got that after shitloads of trial and error and one failed kernel compilation.
Well, actually that's where it's superiority ends. And now that Vista left whole feature away I see no reason why anyone should be using Windows. At least in opensourcelandia you can get that working but not in propiertary land of soft warez & beercakes.

@OldSeaDog: I'm glad you want Linux here too

Running windows or mac, or even gnu/linux, solaris, or freebsd exclusively in a school should be a BIG no-no. Kids need to explore everything. Edubuntu, and possibly just Ubuntu or Kubuntu itself would be perfect for schools, at least my school would be alright with it. Most of the apps used are MS Office, Photoshop Elements, and Adobe Flash/dreamweaver. Cept for flash, everything is replaceable. IMHO, we shouldn't be working in flash, unless it's for media classes, then they could work with like Blender, which I think has animation support.

Right now kids aren't learning anything when it comes to computers, and that's dangerous. Especially when what they're learning is the technology of a criminal corporation.

Oh, and if anyone wants to take a fat old republican [bleep'ed] be my guest, you're the one getting fed bullcrap.