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I have been working on Unix systems for a few years. Started on a Sequent box, then our company moved to HP-UX.

Now we use HP-UX, AIX, and RHEL

I use vmware with a variety of Linux installations at home (including CentOS so I can try things out and not have to worry if I break something)

If you want a test machine, virtualisation is great, as you can take snapshots and rollback if things go horribly wrong.

But seriously, if you would rather use Windows than Linux then by all means do so, it's your choice after all is said and done

Only explanation I can think of is screwed installation of Windows due incompetent maintenance.


It's very limited, yes. Poorly documented, you bet. Joke? Dunno. Setting up a Windows LAN network is a breeze, even teenagers can easily setup an LAN party. Single user OS? Was.

If you don't know a thing, why argue in the first place?

After enabling Universe + Multiverse repos.

Well that computer actually has only 3 programs worth running: a special automation configuration program, notepad & solitaire. There is no need to run a newer version of anything since it works, is rock solid (no it doesn't fail after 24 hours, I guess it has uptime of several weeks as I type this) and has all the apps needed. It will not be connected to internet, no use. Welcome to the unimaginative world of computers at actual work.

I used to be like you but then I actually worked at MS and grew to respect that company & its software despite all the negative crap they do & errors they make. I learned that 99% of people complaining about Windows failures and instability have never even visited http://support.microsoft.com yes including me before my job there.

Then that explenation is wrong because I formatted to sucker and put WinXP on it the week before I went on vacation. Don't ask why; friends suck at pc's and only know how to operate Windows. Yes it was 'genuine'. No it never touched the internet. I know how to make it 'secure'. I bet I know ten times more about Windows than you. Shoot me...

Do you work at marketing? Seriously... how is setting up a network the same as to how it works.

Single user OS by design.

<sarcasm>Hmmm, I don't know... Maybe because,</sarcasm> the web is flooded with complaint?!. There...

How's that harder than browsing the web for codecs on Windows if you want to find a Xvid codec?

Yeah... whohooo what a livfcycle... solitaire... work you say?

That explains... Steve must have thrown a chair at your head and now you are saying solitaire and notepad make up a computer lifecycle. Well that explains a lot; it is not Windows Vista that is slow, I mean, I can run Notepad and solitaire at 100fps~!!!one. It is the third party apps that make Windows slow!

I did... and when I complained about their crap and said it right in their face they needed to fix X, Y and Z and that Windows couldn't do U, V and W they, ofcourse, deleted all of my threads (read: how can I make this work like I can do that under linux - DELETE! 20 CHAIRS! BAAAD!).

Whatever you say I will not even argue with you anymore... If others feel like doing so go ahead.

Former MS tech support, later on-site OEM support, MCDST, MCA. You?

Nothing wrong with few computers and a LAN, but oh boy I know it's a hell with centrally managed +300 WinXP computers dependant on crappy 2003 Server.

Only the old DOS based systems.

From that 99% who don't even know that plentiful self-support resource I mentioned.

WMP11 actually takes you to wmplugins.com automatically if you play xvid file in it for first time. You find all plugins there. It's not difficultier either. Best way around the whole hassle is to just use VLC. Again, in Ubuntu, requiring enabling of Universe.


What are you blabbing now? It's an old computer that is used for WORK, a specific task + solitaire when I can spare the time and boss is not watching. Nothing to do with Vista.
Yes, it's the crappy 3rd party apps that put the most burden on Windows. Think crapware like Norton, PowerDVD & F-Secure. In my time as a Windows techie most of the cases were caused by conflicting or erronous 3rd party programs. F-Secure caused hellova problems when IE6 got upgraded to IE7, it simply didn't allow IE7 to access the web anymore. Shell extension that Nero put on Vista messed up Explorer bad even though Nero claimed it's software was 100% Vista compatible. That was a terible mess to clear, I assure you.

So you after browsing KB articles, didn't find a solution, went to the official forum and started to bitch about stuff Windows can't do when it's a freaking community driven TECH SUPPORT FORUM? Imagine myself running rampage here and yelling about lets say inability to run Windows Media Center on Fedora 8? How would that look like? Yes, retarded indeed.

I'm not here to argue in the first place, I'm just pissed off of stupid "evangelists" like you who do more harm to the Linux community than benefit it by acting like total jackasses.

Ok I can't resist... 3,2,1... FLAMEWAR!
You: Microsoft certificates (in the Netherlands you can get them at a extremely low education.). That is not a complement over here (at LQ).
Me: Have to correct three MS certified losers at my previous school for their stupid mistakes.

So it's not multi-user OS by design. I win.

That is why Microsoft (Redmond) itself runs Linux servers. Ha! They don't even eat that kind of their own dogfood. So that's the best example one could ever get for proving you wrong.

Ah, so tech support can't tell me (where you worked - tech support is BTW the lowest of the lowest computer job ever) so now it's the user's fault and he should have searched for the solution. SO that proves that Microsoft tech support is not functioning. HEll you insulted yourself

From which it doesn't have plugins for a lot of codecs...
No with Gutsy it doesn't even make you go to a site, search for it, download it and install it... it does it all by itself. And with previous versions of Ubuntu that doesn't work? With previous versions of Windows it doesn't do that either.

Can't you even make up your own mind? What it has to do with your installment? Nothing! It was about Windows lifecycles. And your Windows installment has nothing to do with lifecycles for the rest of the world. And what has that to do with Vista? That was a joke. Damn...

My dear god... What is the task of an OS? Making third party software work.

Anti virus is needed for Windows to not suck to no end. That is Microsoft's fault. Period!

Because of no usefull documentation and bad languages and even if it is not their fault; an OS should be resistend to that, but oh no... blame third party developpers for being bad (and that last was sarcasm because you can't make that up for yourself)

And that is IE's fault for not having somthing like $ie or $browser in the first place. In fact not starting IE7 could also be because it is a new program on top (yes on top and not integrated in) Windows and blocking new programs is actually is a security feature to not automatically allow new programs to run untill aproval by the user. I think that is UAC as well so when you're saying that sucks you say Vista sucks as well.

That is for crappy copyprotection apps that use the holes and bugs in Explorer to protect certain files from being copied. And because that sucks NERO has to put a shell around Explorer because it sucks so much.

If that was the case then you are right. But gues what? It is not... How about asking if MS is prepared to fix [insert bug here] that has been around for ten years? How about "How do I change the desktop shell? My friend always changes his on Linux and I want to do that too" <- Boom! It says Linux and gets deleted. Want me to go on?

No I am defending Linux from wrong statements YOU make. And I am not a 'religious' Linux user. I am a 'religous' everything but proprietary software user.

EDIT:And for the love of everything that is holy: clean up the markup for your signature. Don't use larger fonts with colour. Everybody but you hates that here.

I have a theory why linux is full off errors.
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When a windows is made , companies have to change there stuff so it works for that windows .
But when that happens , linux has to change to ! , and louds of changes are to be made .
So errors will have to be found before they can be fixed .

What slows down the process to , is that microsoft makes sure , its really hard to make drivers for the hardware made for vista .

so thats why linux is "slightly retarded"

OMG errors! The horror, the horror!

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

try harder

I'm hoping this is a joke...

I think this may be a troll. A really poorly carried out troll.....

Good question, but maybe poorly phrased. I think Linux sucks because even with the most simple and transparent distros it requires that you think logically about everything from the installation process to package management to actual program operation, and being human, I require a magic system that is completely hardware and platform independent to accomplish data processing, which as a human I demand to be unconstrained by any external requirements of structure, syntax, and procedure. In other words, as a magic system, data processing should be subject entirely to my will and whim.

Is it really such a bad thing for Linux to expect its users to be competent human beings?

i suck at English ...