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View Poll Results: UNIX is better than WINDOWS
what?HELLO.i am UNIX. the best! 605 68.52%
whooa, wait a minute. Windows is BETTER than UNIX 48 5.44%
hoo-boy..i don't like both. 64 7.25%
errr...i don't know, what is UNIX afterall? 11 1.25%
windows?never heard of it... 155 17.55%
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:32 AM   #1651
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I agreed with all the things I removed, but pay attention now:
- How about WIRELESS networking? See my sig. I'm super pissed off and know it's not Linux' fault, but hardware support on this area is clearly better in Windows.
You are absolutelly right about the hardware support. But on the other hand... who buys a Apple remote for a Windows Media Centre (yes Mac's are x86 pc's with normal pc hardware and Intell cpu's). What I was talking about was how networking worked on supported hardware; multi-user OS, etc.

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- VLC runs also in Windows & Windows also gets Media Player Classic, which is IMO more functional than VLC. I haven't experienced lockups (Vista 32bit).
Try playing damaged video files (especially bad DivX files) and say that again. With VLC in WindowsXP it allways locks up the entire system. In Linux it never locks up.

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- Nothing is idiot proof!!! UAC made a great step forward. My computer illiterate aunt has Ubuntu running, installed & configured by me, and I told her that if it asks her password to not type it unless she is absolutely sure about it. Same can be done in Vista now by giving the idiot an user account.
First of all UAC... Doom3 corp hahaha But ok... in theory it's all great. But in practise it is not. Many Windows apps only work correctly in Administration mode, many programms don't even work with file protection and many are not configuring file security at all. Then there is no advertising User mode in XP. Vista's networking sucks if you followed the tech news. No driver can fix that. Also UAC aks "Allow?"... no password is asked and user can just click ok without needing to give a password. Then if you enable file security in Windows XP (the option is almost unfindable) you have to manually configure every file in the system. Not something a idiot can do by itself now can he?

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- Yes certainly, unless they encounter daily stuff like websites with wmv
Ubuntu asks if you want to let it install WMV codecs. Works like a charm.
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or just happen to get iPod for mothersday.
Just install GtkPod from the repository's.

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- Not necessarily. My workplace still has three Win95 laptops for specific tasks.
Really? You can still safely surf the internet? It is still updated? There are still apps made for Win95?

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Old 12-11-2007, 12:49 PM   #1652
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You are absolutelly right about the hardware support. But on the other hand... who buys a Apple remote for a Windows Media Centre (yes Mac's are x86 pc's with normal pc hardware and Intell cpu's). What I was talking about was how networking worked on supported hardware; multi-user OS, etc.


Try playing damaged video files (especially bad DivX files) and say that again. With VLC in WindowsXP it allways locks up the entire system. In Linux it never locks up.


First of all UAC... Doom3 corp hahaha But ok... in theory it's all great. But in practise it is not. Many Windows apps only work correctly in Administration mode, many programms don't even work with file protection and many are not configuring file security at all. Then there is no advertising User mode in XP. Vista's networking sucks if you followed the tech news. No driver can fix that. Also UAC aks "Allow?"... no password is asked and user can just click ok without needing to give a password. Then if you enable file security in Windows XP (the option is almost unfindable) you have to manually configure every file in the system. Not something a idiot can do by itself now can he?


Ubuntu asks if you want to let it install WMV codecs. Works like a charm.

Just install GtkPod from the repository's.


Really? You can still safely surf the internet? It is still updated? There are still apps made for Win95?
* fair eenough, then it's ofcourse better
* Windows Vista doesn't and I don't ever recall WindowsXP doing that either.
* This far I have only encountered CivIV to require admin rights in order to run, but that was fixable. I know Vista networking is very limited except for Business, Enterprise & Ultimate versions, but this far I haven't had any problems as I'm 95% the client side of things. You can only click "Allow" in UAC if on a admin account, on regular user account it asks the admin password just like any *nix would. You can tinker with every file if you want, but I'd just apply the changes in user right to particular folders which applies changes to files recursively.
* Ubuntu 6.06 did not
* Did that
* Uhm, it has a 28kbs modem port, so yes if someone would put it on some phone line I guess. Your last 2 questions were just plain stupid, I think you know that answers are "no" & "dunno".
 
Old 12-12-2007, 04:01 PM   #1653
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* Windows Vista doesn't and I don't ever recall WindowsXP doing that either.
While on vacation last summer, we used a WinXP laptop and watched a pirated copy (Europe, legal) of War of the Worlds in VLC, Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic and it allways crashed at some parts in the movie. When I inserted Knoppix at home it didn't crash with Xine and kaffeine. I tried this on a desktop too.

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* This far I have only encountered CivIV to require admin rights in order to run, but that was fixable. I know Vista networking is very limited except for Business, Enterprise & Ultimate versions, but this far I haven't had any problems as I'm 95% the client side of things.
Windows networking is a joke. It's a single-user OS and will forever be. I am not even going to give you an example because the web is floded with this opinion. If you want one do a google search.

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You can only click "Allow" in UAC if on a admin account, on regular user account it asks the admin password just like any *nix would. You can tinker with every file if you want, but I'd just apply the changes in user right to particular folders which applies changes to files recursively.
So they learned. I have to admit I have very limited experience with Vista and so far I have only had this blegh (not "Wow") experience on three Vista laptops owned by family members.

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* Ubuntu 6.06 did not
Ehm... go to Applications->Add/remove and type in codec.

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* Uhm, it has a 28kbs modem port, so yes if someone would put it on some phone line I guess.
Good luck with ebombs, virusses, adware, spyware, system crashes... you name it. Also try to run newer version of Windows on it. You may have three apps that make it worthwile for you to run (for 1 day straight at best due to memmory leaks in Win95), but for others this doesn't have anything in common with the word 'lifecycle'.

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Your last 2 questions were just plain stupid, I think you know that answers are "no" & "dunno".
Your last sentence is just plain stupid, I think you know it is "sarcasm".

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Old 12-12-2007, 09:03 PM   #1654
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Smile The All New Linux vs Windows MegaSuperThread

What is the worthiness of Linux OS beside windows OS?
Do not tell me because it is free! I want to know else!
What are the reasons why Linux, UNIX, and FreeBSD are better than Microsoft windows? So many people use it.
What are the competition factors?
Why it is worthy to cause many users spend days and hours configure it and troubleshoot the issues behind it endlessly.
Even though Linux, UNIX is not so user friendly. Why not spend great deal money on windows OS and enjoy the user-friendly environment, easy configuration... much more good software available and on and on?
Do not blame me, I never mean to praise, adore Microsoft, or start a flame war! I just want to know why! That is it! Thank you for replying.
Sorry! My poor English writing skill.

Best regards,

Last edited by pleasehelpme; 12-13-2007 at 07:56 AM. Reason: sorry, bad writing...
 
Old 12-12-2007, 09:23 PM   #1655
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I usually try to be positive and open-minded, but this is quite possibly the worst thread in this forum yet. First, there is no need to use blue and large fonts.

Second, I believe English is not your first language (and it is not mine either). So one would should not expect you to write perfectly (grammar or spelling). Still, a little of good sense in making separated paragraphs will help us to read. I thing this goes for every language, doesn't it?

You also could have used the "search" feature in this forum for similar threads. The Windows Vs <Whatever> subject has been beaten to death already.

And to sum it all up, you are using your personal point of view as facts, like this "much more good software available and on and on?". One could disagree with that. I disagree with that myself. I think most of Software in Windows are big fat jokes, with horrible licenses and agreements, spyware and what not. But it is still not a fact, just my opinion.

My two cents
 
Old 12-12-2007, 09:25 PM   #1656
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Advantages of Linux include that it is "open source." This means, not that it is free (some distributions of Linux are free as in 'no money needed,' others are not), but that the code is available for examination. And that means bugs can be fixed by anyone interested in doing the necessary work!!!

Compare to any MS (Win) distro: The code is NOT available to anyone outside the company, and they themselves seldom really fix any bugs (particularly security bugs).

IMO, another problem with MS (and I've been using their products since the first MS-DOS came out) is that they actually design in security flaws as a by-product of their obsessive concern with piracy. Good example is what I hear about Vista -- make too many changes (as in installing new software?!) in too short a time and your system will lock itself up as possible pirated copy! Yuch.

I knew this was going to be a problem when they did those fancy launches for Win 95 and emphasized how bosses would now be able to count how many keystrokes a secretary produced each day. *sigh* It's just not possible to create a secure system if you yourself want to be able to spy on it all the time!

There are very few reasons to use Win products these days, for me. Okay, PageMaker, PhotoShop, and my legacy software (Ecco [PIM], XyWrite [WP]), maybe a couple other oddities. Other than that, Linux is great. And Mepis (6.5) is easy to install or just use from the CD, right out of the box. In fact, the PC on which I'm writing this now has no hard drive; I'm running from the CD.
 
Old 12-12-2007, 09:30 PM   #1657
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Linux is user-friendly to linux users. I could go on for a few pages on why I use linux
 
Old 12-12-2007, 09:44 PM   #1658
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When I started using linux I had similar feelings, but as time gone by I finally understood
 
Old 12-12-2007, 09:47 PM   #1659
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If I say that I use linux because I just can (think in freedom), is worthy?

If I say that I troubleshoot the problems I face in unix-likes because that's fun for me and I always learn something, is worthy?

Hmmmm....thinking....


I'm not goin to talk about things like, is more secure, you can modify the code as long you share it, there are more choices, is more flexible and so on because from one point of view to another, everything can be objected, so, I wanted something that let me have fun using this big device I call PC, and that something turns out to be linux and other unix-likes. That's enough for me.

Yeah, for me is worthy, and that's why I use them



Regards
 
Old 12-12-2007, 10:16 PM   #1660
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Windows MAY be easier to use if you don't know what you are doing. Paint by numbers is also a pretty easy way to make a painting. However, once you know what you are doing you are confined to only be able to do what the Windows OS wants to allow you to do, just as the paint by numbers only let you make the picture that is already there. It is stifling.

Linux (and most other unixlike operating systems) allow you to make them do what you want them to do quite easily. Like any other field, the novice will not use the same tools as the master. Masters doesn't choose their tools because they are hard to use, they choose them because they are easier for them to do the things they want to do. Perhaps it is harder for the novice to use them, but that is true in any field. Once you know what you are doing, the only way to do what you want to do is use the proper tools.

Setting up and using Linux isn't difficult, it just isn't what the novice is used to.

HTH

Forrest
 
Old 12-12-2007, 10:33 PM   #1661
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why not spend great deal money on windows OS and enjoy the user friendly environment,easy configuration...
If this is what you believe then go for it.
If you don't really believe it don't pretend you need others to tell you otherwise.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 12:16 AM   #1662
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Not another windows vs linux thread
 
Old 12-13-2007, 12:21 AM   #1663
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Oh, let's give the poor bloke a fair chance...

In the real world of computing, one's choices are not limited to ... nor have they ever been limited to ... "an Intel x86-based computer running Microsoft Windows." There are, in fact, 26 different processor architectures that support Linux... not to mention all the cell-phones, iPods, PDAs, Macintoshes and other curious devices that run on either Linux or Unix.

So, the reality of the situation is ... no matter what sort of marketing spew might be coming out of Redmond these days, you need to pay very close attention to Linux and Unix.

It's not a question of what you "prefer." It is pure-and-simple the essential nature of the engineering discipline that you are in. You've got <customers|employers> to satisfy whose business requirements far-exceed the design limitations of Microsoft Windows. (This is NO smirch upon Windows!)

"Plan accordingly." Good luck.

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Old 12-13-2007, 12:28 AM   #1664
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OK, I give the poor bloke a fair chance...

Linux rules!!! Ya' BABY!!!
 
Old 12-13-2007, 01:57 AM   #1665
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Smile

Hey.. I can guarantee you that you wont regret installing Linux on you're machine..

1. its free (yes this is a big factor)
2. you can configure according to you;re taste and ease.. which is not possible in windows.
3. more stable architecture.. as compared to the buggy windows architecture..
4. helps you learn a lot better whats under the hood.. windows wont even let u open its hood. :P
5. ton's of app's available in Linux.
6. security
7. vast support of file systems
8. is fast .. not a memory hogger
9. you can create a linux in you're own name :P (i wana do dat one day)
10. large number of people available to help you 24/7
11. keep you're love for windows.. u can run win app's in Linux using wine..and other such software.
12. cool effects.. better than vista in my opinion..

well I can go on and on but lunch is waiting.. have to rush LOL

believe me .. install if to know the difference

njoy. happy linuxing
 
  


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