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It's not adequate to consider only the deaths. With SARS-CoV-2 there are bad after effects. Rather young people are ending up with life-changing strokes after otherwise recovering. There are also widely reported cases of other organ damage besides the brain, including not just lungs but also the liver, kidneys, and heart. So it may be affecting the body by damaging the blood since those organs have fine blood vessels and capillaries.
In other words, this disease is not something that will just wash over the population and leave behind healthy people like a common cold or the usual flu.
Another thing that has changed is that death certificates now give covid-19 as the cause of death in all cases where the patient tested positive for it. Until quite recently, death certificates did not usually mention influenza. The cause of death was given as pneumonia or broncho-pneumonia, since that was what actually killed you in the end.
Also, there were no truckloads of corpses leaving hospitals in 1957 because it was not normal medical practice at that time to rush old people with pneumonia into hospital and put them on ventilators. They died at home or in a care home and it was considered a blessed release.
Another thing that has changed is that death certificates now give covid-19 as the cause of death in all cases where the patient tested positive for it. Until quite recently, death certificates did not usually mention influenza. The cause of death was given as pneumonia or broncho-pneumonia, since that was what actually killed you in the end.
Framing it like this makes it seem that covid-19 deaths are undercounted relative to flu deaths. But the article I linked to points out that it may well be the exact opposite.
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed.’ In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.
I agree it is more realistic to believe under counting versus over counting at least in the US with the lack of testing.
“In England, Scotland and Wales, public health bodies have revised recommendations since the COVID-19 outbreak. Recommendations now state that all adults should take at least 400 IU vitamin D daily. Whereas there are currently no results from randomized controlled trials to conclusively prove that vitamin D beneficially affects COVID-19 outcomes, there is strong circumstantial evidence of associations between vitamin D and the severity of COVID-19 responses, including death.”
I would add, stop using NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, CNN as sources of actual information.
You're regularly including the Daily Mail in your news links...
Yes but reread the complaint. NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, CNN are sources of actual information. That's the apparent complaint. Contrast that with The Daily Mail which is about promulgation of disinformation almost to the same level as Facebook and its subsidiaries Whatsapp and Instagram. There is a strong market for pushing disinformation. Those groups and even a few individuals who wish it spread pay. If you want to find out who actually owns DMGT you will have some difficult digging through multiple progressively more difficult layers of obfuscation.
NBC was quite good quality but that seems to be addressed soon with the appointment of a Comcast / Disney appointee. If he is not taken out by SARS-CoV-2, then he will be in place in time to make adjustments for the US election in the autumn.
Disinformation is not a cottage industry any more. Nor are bot nets ...
Isn't trusting The Daily Mail something like expecting actual journalism from The National Enquirer?
Exactly - I would hope everyone here knows that the Daily Mail varies from distorted truths to outright lies, and should not be considered a news source.
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Yes but reread the complaint. NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, CNN are sources of actual information. That's the apparent complaint.
The question I'm asking is how someone who puts the Daily Mail on equal footing with Associated Press can make such a complaint.
Isn't trusting The Daily Mail something like expecting actual journalism from The National Enquirer?
I would say that it's the opposite of ABC NBC CBS. They are radical left biased, the daily mail is right biased.
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I would hope everyone here knows that the Daily Mail varies from distorted truths to outright lies, and should not be considered a news source.
Like the lefts' media has done for 40 years. Even to the point of causing riots and deaths. Trump didn't make up the term fake news.
I also added links from Fox news, and CNN in the same post #577
NBC and DailyMail #566
MSN, ABC #567
DailyMail, APnews #537
CBS, FoxNews NYTimes #538...etc.
Can I ask why you did not decry the links from CNN, CBS, MSN, NYTimes? They are like watching the democrat national convention. You don't need to answer.
Look through both of them and see if you can determine what the truth is. If you rely on one side then you have a biased slanted view on current events. They both give facts and news, but they put their own slant/spin/editing on it. It's to push an agenda that they want to push. Besides that, the boogie man won't get you if you read the other sides propaganda. And that it what it is. I wasn't being any more partisan than I can help. Posted links from...sources.
Getting far from the thread topic now. Can I bring it back on topic, so we don't destroy the thread.
Can I ask why you did not decry the links from CNN, CBS, MSN, NYTimes? They are like watching the democrat national convention. You don't need to answer.
The same thing can be said about Fox News: It's like watching the Republican
National Convention.
I am surprised about the vitamin D. As you age your body absorbs less from the sun and since no sane old person should be in the sun supplements are necessary.
Since it is a good idea to sample news from conflicting political views/agendas, assuming one cares about the whole picture, the issue in my view isn't about a news source's politics but about their commitment to journalism versus sensationalism/entertainment. Daily Mail, National Enquirer, etc. are Tabloids, the printed equivalent of "clickbait". Every once in a blue moon they will possibly have an article that is actual journalism , but that is as rare as frog hair and hen's teeth.
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