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Old 03-14-2020, 11:57 AM   #1
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Covid19 post for LQ members.


How is everyone doing with the Corona virus Covid19 outbreak?

Anyone in your family or workplace effected? Do you know anyone that has been told that they are infected, but never did show any symptoms?
Are any LQ members infected? None of my business if you don't want to say.

How about the stores in your area, has there been a run on products so that the shelves are half empty? Are you able to get basic food supplies? A person can do without a new shirt for now, how about basics?

Are you working differently than before? Such as working from home instead of going in to work. How long do you anticipate doing that?
Anyone been layed off work and told to go home until further notice?

Have you or yours been told to quarantine? Are you in a quarantine now?

How is this affecting your world where you live? Does anyone need some help with something, that maybe a nearby LQ member could do?

I have not got it, there are no reported cases in the county in which I live...yet.

The store shelves are half empty here, panick caused by the "media". Although spreading it certainly will.

Looks like cases in China are dropping, Korea too. Southern hemisphere has not been hit yet.

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Not a political post for what politicians suck please. A post for info on what's happening where you are if you want to share.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 12:13 PM   #2
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SUS ─ Brazil's health public system ─ has released a mobile app, just for infos:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...asus.guardioes

Yes, there are many cases in the southern hemisphere, e.g. in Uruguay, Brazil and some african countries.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 12:51 PM   #3
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How is everyone doing with the Corona virus Covid19 outbreak?
How about the stores in your area, has there been a run on products so that the shelves are half empty? Are you able to get basic food supplies?
We have a lot of panic in London. In my local Tesco, there are rows of empty shelves where pasta and toilet rolls used to be. I couldn't find a tin of sardines in oil either, though I picked up one in Lidl later. I think it's all rather silly, but I do worry a bit about getting fresh supplies (bread, milk and so on) if I have to self-isolate. I'm sure one of my church friends would oblige.
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Looks like cases in China are dropping, Korea too. Southern hemisphere has not been hit yet.
I think it may be peaking in Italy now. Apparently it's begun to drop in Lombardy. We are in a much earlier stage, so it will go on rising here for at least another two weeks. Oddly enough, there's hardly any covid in Africa. Maybe it doesn't like the heat.

I can remember both the Asian and the Hong Kong flu pandemics. In neither case was there this kind of panic, although the death rate from Asian flu was quite high. I remember I had it for two weeks and it was the worst flu I've ever had. Covid sounds much milder by all accounts.

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Old 03-14-2020, 01:30 PM   #4
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There are cases having been reported fairly close by, panic buying has cleared a lot of supermarket shelves in the area.

I'm retired, so no worries about working.

I think our main problem is the fact that we do not have any immunity to this particular strain.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 01:37 PM   #5
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Stores are out of ... toilet paper and alcohol.

We're used to preparing for blizzards, that's like a few days supplies, but people are overdoing it weirdly. Today actually was more normal.

Our work asked us to work remote, so I am.

Don't know anybody affected yet.

US, MA area.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 04:12 PM   #6
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No one I know has been affected by this, but we are definitely concerned about this situation. Thanks to @teckk for posting this. I had been wondering why no one here had posted anything about the elephant currently stomping around the room.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 04:17 PM   #7
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Thanks for asking, I'm not knowingly infected nor is anybody around me.
Nevertheless, I can't help feeling queasy.
There have been cases here in Finland, too.

I still go to work, but more and more people work from home.

Basic food situation is fine, only the thing with the toilet paper... WTF? I refuse to stock up on it.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 04:33 PM   #8
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Everything in this area of USA has shut down except essential services. Large group meetings, conventions, theme parks, hotels all closing until the end of March. Grocery stores are not doing too bad, same for Walmart and Target. Sanitizer seems to be the main item that is out everywhere, cleaning agents sometimes are low, other times they are sold out, but seem to be replenished every 1-2 days so not too bad. Local grocery store even had a buy one get one free on disinfectant wipes/sprays etc...

Important to remember that this virus is nowhere near as bad as the media is hyping it out to be. The main risk is for the medically frail and very elderly. 90% of the people who get the virus have no symptoms or very mild symptoms, 5-8% are moderate (similar to regular flu), around 2% become severe and of those 2% around 3% die.

Johns Hopkins University is a nice website with raw data that is updated daily with locally and globally numbers almost in real time. It appears that around 81% of the people in China who were confirmed infected have fully recovered, and around 54% have fully recovered globally. Also, China may have reached the first zero new cases since the outbreak, which would be a tremendous sign.

Here is the link, if you are a numbers person and like raw unemotional unhyped data, then have fun:
general site: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
data site: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

PS: Remember in a pinch, Rubbing alcohol 70% or higher is extremely cheap and effective at killing viruses. Witch Hazel also has this ability. Vinegar is an effective disinfectant and many hospitals are switching back to this for all purpose cleaning. You don't have to buy name brand, commercialized cleaning products if you don't want to:

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Old 03-14-2020, 09:13 PM   #9
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Here is a worst case scenario
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca

Social distancing being the key component to preventing the spread of the virus.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 09:38 PM   #10
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No known cases in my area, but cases in my state (Virginia, U. S. A.), including one not too far away.

We have a series subscription to the Virginia Symphony Orchestra, and I received an email last night informing me that they are postponing all scheduled concerts between now and mid-April (that includes three concerts for which we have tickets). Rescheduling information to be forthcoming . . .

Public schools will be closed for the next two weeks. The bottom has dropped out of the local tourism industry. And, if you need toilet paper, consider stockpiling copies of your local newspaper.

My condo board (I'm a member) has decided to cancel the scheduled March meeting, in large part because most of the regular attendees are old enough to be considered vulnerable (I'm one of the young 'uns, but that's a relative statement). Our management company tells us that 90% of their clients have canceled scheduled meetings for March.

Otherwise, life is going on without any signs of panic that I've noticed other than the silly and stupid TP hoarding.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:34 PM   #11
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Firstly to answer the question - I don't know of anyone within many miles who has been diagnosed and I don't know the condition of store shelves near me as I live in rural Virginia, US and only got into town normally about once every two weeks. Thankfully this means I tend to buy in bulk. Obviously this depends to a degree on how long the outbreak lasts. So far there are no quarantines near me but schools are shut down and most public meetings are cancelled.

I'd like to suggest that people at least include non-news sites like Science and Medical sites to get the best non-hysterical information. It is my understanding from such sites that statistical numbers are highly unreliable just yet because the reporting of cases is not yet well-established. For example, some scientific sites with access to a larger sample base have corrected their statistics to reflect the fact that milder cases often go unreported which reduces the percentage of deadly encounters down to below 1%. That is still a VERY large number of people and this is not like most common flu viruses, so it isn't wise to get hysterical but it is also unwise to underestimate the risk or concern.

It is my understanding that such terms as "elderly and frail health" are too broad brush since the factors known so far that, although they include advanced age, that alone isn't a major factor. The major factors known so far are diabetes, some other diseases (especially those involving our pulmonary systems), blood clotting problems and sepsis. Obviously those of advanced age are somewhat more at risk for such ailments as well as compromised immune systems and basic resilience.

Here's a list of commonly known symptoms so far from New Scientist.

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The most commonly reported symptoms include a fever, dry cough and tiredness, and in mild cases people may get just a runny nose or a sore throat. In the most severe cases, people with the virus can develop difficulty breathing, and may ultimately experience organ failure. Some cases are fatal.
Because far more than just a handful of people are likely to die from this outbreak this is not trivial but it also isn't at all wise to overreact. Just recently it has been discovered that a virus with a lot of similarity was discovered 9 years ago so it isn't as if this is like some surprise attack. True, lack of action largely on the part of some governments, have made this worse by losing time and postponing funding for serious study and means of prevention or even mitigation but that is rapidly changing.

Panic is completely unwise but so is complacency. Get the facts. Act accordingly.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 04:33 AM   #12
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Agree with enorbet.

And I don't think "the Media" are hyping this. Either they just report what's going on (sometimes economical impact seems to be more interesting than the desease itself ) or they even play it down.
But maybe I'm just not susceptible to the rainbow press' tactics.
The worst I encounter in terms of media coverage is the BBC World newscast; every of the 2 daily podcasts seems to consist mostly of Covid19-related news.

Mortality is indeed very low, but somehow I'm not comfortable saying "It's fine, only 3 people died"...

Anyhow I recommend people to look up the official channels and go with that.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 07:07 AM   #13
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Read a story this morning about two brothers who "saw this coming" so they hoarded sanitizers.

But now they're crying because Ebay and other sales sites have stopped allow gauging types of sales.

It's called taking a business risk boys.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 07:37 AM   #14
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Here is a worst case scenario
My God! This person should be in jail! He's obviously been boning up on Steven King's novel The Stand.

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Old 03-15-2020, 07:45 AM   #15
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Mortality is indeed very low, but somehow I'm not comfortable saying "It's fine, only 3 people died"...
If you have around 330*10^6 people and 35% become ill and there is a 1% mortality rate, then you have more or less 1,155,000 deaths.

As to the original question, I have no first hand information. Second hand information is not looking good. However, I'll leave discussion of that to the news if it becomes relevant at that level. Personally, this is at least a good excuse to have no plans to be on-site anywhere for a few weeks.
 
  


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