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Old 06-15-2011, 04:53 PM   #46
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About “My” community:

It will be my community because I pay the hosting bill.

It will be my community because I am the site admin.

It will be my community because I am the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable behavior.

It will be my community because it’s members will look to me to be a strong leader and set an example for all to see.

It will be my community because a forum cannot be run as a democracy. Though I am equally sure that the Future of Puppy Linux can and should be decided democratically by users.

Every day I will ask myself if I did the right thing for my community and it’s members and every day I will answer: “That depends on who you ask”. With that knowledge, I will wear my crown, if crown it be, upon a troubled brow.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 05:03 PM   #47
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A forum should be a limited dictatorship - since the forum owner will be the one who gets a knock at the door from a law enforcement tank if there is anything illegal on the boards!
 
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:32 PM   #48
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well much remains to be seen but it is at least probably clear, that this is a push led mainly by puppyite and others he knows

i'll say one last time that to date, we have had no personal contact regarding these devellopements

at this point i am fully in support of a new direction and we shall see what develops

i wouldn't be surprised to see others also taking their own initiatives, not that i am involved or even interested myself other than offering opinions and support if something appeals to me

my main motivation is that i started from scratch mostly with puppulinux and given circumstances that work for me, i would certainly like to contribute

whatever the murga forums are or were, there were certainly exceptional folks involved that helped me greatly in the time i spent there,

they know who they are and at one time i could have easily included whodo

but being brand new to something is very different from being involved and years going by, and i have seen many good people leave for obvious reasons

a distro and forum must be appealing to new folks from the get go, and cover those bases well

even when or if established, it doesn't take much for all of it to fall apart, there are always other options out there

it's adapt because someone else surely will, and i would be seeking all available input before firming up on anything

in the end, the numbers always decide the who, what and why, one way or another

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Old 06-17-2011, 10:52 AM   #49
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here are my final words to puppylinux and the murga forums

don't even dream of a release at distrowatch before addressing YOUR issues first, which i highly doubt will happen

thx to LQ for demonstrating a positive, helpful and professional forum, where you have focus and can get results

and good luck to the folks who move forward with a new distro and philosophy using the unique and in many ways brilliant bits and concepts available

freedom rules as does the www

watch what you ask for where you can easily be publicly banned on a whim, without recourse or any valid explanation given other than vague blurbs, or even an opportunity to speak on the issue,

in my case after having contributed ~ 2700 posts, with no personal contact from any admin ever over any posting issues,

for speaking your mind with vague rules as i understood them and yet continue to read or link to all manner of other nonsense that has nothing to do with a productive activity, let alone a distro

i could of course link to stuff (and more bs), but that would just be more of a waste of everyones' time and everyone has to figure stuff out for themselves anyway

distrowatch and other venues also certainly remain as options

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Old 07-01-2011, 12:43 PM   #50
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some folks or pretenders who dream of getting their act together might look at what folks here have to say..

congrats to LQ!!
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I'm extremely excited to announce that just over 11 years ago today I made my very first post at LQ, which served to introduce it to the web. As I've stated numerous times, since then LQ has exceeded my expectation in every way. 4,382,316 posts and 457,176 registered members do not even begin to tell the story. The community and mod team that has grown at LQ is truly amazing and something that I'm very proud to be a part of. I'd like to once again thank each and every LQ member for their participation, dedication and feedback. Without you, LQ quite simply wouldn't exist.

To say that feedback has been absolutely critical to our success is an understatement. With that in mind, I'd like to collect as much feedback as possible about LQ. What are we doing well and where can we improve? What new features or sections would you like to see? What should we be doing differently? Let us know your thoughts and as a thank you, I'll be randomly selecting 11 suggestions and will upgrade the posting member to a contributing member for one year.
that's what you get with folks who know what they are doing and what they are about

clearly, a team that has the greatest respect for their membership, their role and importance

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in comparison, the puppylinux forums are a joke (well documented and known), and the biggest obstacle to any distro, that desires to move forward

without a doubt, there are folks who will move forward with what pup was, and a positive focused supporting forum is the key

you get what you ask for, particularly with riff raff or self appointed nobodies

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:15 AM   #51
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Puppy Linux Forum (and PLUG) Progress Report

In Planning:
  • Sub forums name selection and organization
  • Sub forums mission statements and rule sets
In Process:
  • Moderator training
  • Forum graphics
Finished:
  • Main mission statement and rule set (rev2)
  • Forum software configuration
  • Forum administration training
  • Dedicated moderator training site open
  • Dedicated forum modification test site open

I estimate it will be a few more weeks, maybe less, before I bring the Puppy Linux Forum online. Thank you for your patience, it will be rewarded!

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Old 07-08-2011, 01:20 PM   #52
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here's how not to promote a forum, or what it is about

and make a farce of yourself or what you stand for

from a deluded master of mayhem, and in his own mind mover and shaker in puppyworld..
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We are Puppy....Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
unless of course your goal is fun and games, or comical fantasies

an attitude that has ZERO interest from folks who seek results and the pursuit of excellence

the reality of course is that you can have a brilliant distro as a foundation, and a supporting forum that is an embarrassment to be associated with, that mostly detracts and takes away from the great potential

it is only a matter of time before puppy takes off in a new direction with new folks

out with the old (or they can do whatever they like), in with the new

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Old 07-08-2011, 01:42 PM   #53
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here's how not to promote a forum, or what it is about

and make a farce of yourself or what you stand for

from a deluded master of mayhem, and in his own mind mover and shaker in puppyworld..


unless of course your goal is fun and games, or comical fantasies

an attitude that has ZERO interest from folks who seek results and the pursuit of excellence

the reality of course is that you can have a brilliant distro as a foundation, and a supporting forum that is an embarrassment to be associated with, that mostly detracts and takes away from the great potential

it is only a matter of time before puppy takes off in a new direction with new folks

out with the old (or they can do whatever they like), in with the new
Please stop bitching around. We don't have interest in your wars with other forums. In fact, before criticizing the work of others, especially in the way you do it, you should bring up anything productive yourself. Making comments is simple, building something is not.
 
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:41 PM   #54
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the topic is "suggestions requested" - linux users group,

i'd say that means suggesting what is good or bad about a users group to move forward

but the mods here of course establish what goes, or if a line is being crossed

being productive for me is identifying problems, dealing with them and moving forward

i have zero interest in being part of a problem, and desire or seek solutions to move forward, i'd call that productive

it's understandable that may be very upsetting for some, but for others, a non event

it's not a war at all for me or is it negative

matter of fact i'm quite excited by developments and the opportunity for moving forward, or even just another direction, regardless of what happens here

I like many others gave up on pup some time ago and we may be interested again depending what may develop

i'd hardly call that a war, but more like some casual interest

in your response, you also took out this quote (from my original post that you quoted) from the puppylinux forums,
which i cant be bothered linking to, but for anyone interested, can be easily found
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We are Puppy....Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
a forum of any merit might, and of course does concern itself with anything in the forums that can easily be linked to

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Old 07-08-2011, 02:59 PM   #55
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the topic is "suggestions requested" - linux users group
Your "suggestions" are nothing more than bitching around about Murga's forums and Puppy.
To make it easy I will go the simplest way for me and you: putting you on my ignore list.

Have a nice life and fun with Linux.
 
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:13 PM   #56
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perhaps you or anyone would comment about how mods can be addressed (and easily linked to) in that forum that has already come up here?

and tell us about being positive or productive?

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...8/#post4383516

i'd call that very relevant

and of course the scope of the discussion here regarding "Linux Users Group - Suggestions Requested" is up to the mods here

my suggestion and even bottom line is i have zero interest in such a forum period, wherever it may be

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Old 07-08-2011, 03:32 PM   #57
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Your "suggestions" are nothing more than bitching around about Murga's forums and Puppy.
To make it easy I will go the simplest way for me and you: putting you on my ignore list.

Have a nice life and fun with Linux.
life and linux is of course mostly what you make of it and i'm a happy camper

the beauty of linux is freedom of choice and it behooves any distro to be well versed in respecting the users, particularly by the supporting forums, they make or break you

then again, devs or whoever is involved in a distro can also do as they like

but then there are also men and boys

cheers

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Old 07-08-2011, 06:34 PM   #58
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In fact, before criticizing the work of others, especially in the way you do it, you should bring up anything productive yourself. Making comments is simple, building something is not.
in fact whatever i do, there are already others building and far ahead of whatever pup is, that i or anyone can simply switch to

regardless of what i do, criticism will come and goes with the territory (for any distro), best to welcome and even embrace it,

whatever pup does is not even my problem,

a distro that doesn't thrive on criticism is going nowhere, or only so far, if it's to hot in the oven, get outa the kitchen

many have gone waay farther than pup and yet disappeared over-nite

building is one thing, maintaining or moving forward is another, but heh, we all can make choices where there is freedom

i don't call staying on a sinking ship productive but if it works for you or anyone else, go for it and good luck

pls keep in mind that i don't speak for puppyite, but at this point certainly support the initiative, including from the outset, a mission statement as well as a focused forum with rules and guidelines that apply equally to all

ps ..oh gee, a recently appointed mod (in the other place) who i said a few pages back was a poor choice to begin with has announced a ~ "formal request to be removed from the position?", what a surprise and way to go about it with a one post locked thread

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Old 07-09-2011, 08:11 PM   #59
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To correct misinformation about functionality of Puppy Linux Forum (and PLUG) the link will not be functional until after I have completed construction of the site and assigned domain name servers. Until that time the link will resolve to my registrar’s web site. Thank you for your patience.
 
Old 07-09-2011, 11:35 PM   #60
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gee, the comment "he has no members on his forum" had me looking around for where i may have missed the supposed forum

the other comments are typical of what you can expect there (and not how to run a forum) if you have your own independent ideas and dare to express them, keep in mind also that if these wild accusation were directed at you and you can't even reply or speak there, beyond lame but heh..

if you like that kinda stuff, or ~ "it's like this" get with our program, it's a good place to join, for myself and others, for some time now it became a waste of time

as to some prior comments about criticism, i would just like to make clear that i've described the distro as brilliant with great potential, otoh, can't stand the one and only forum, how it is run, or the main folks involved and there is nothing better than to at least have options, wherever there may be a problem, not to mention that when you are the only show in town, you can pretty much do whatever you like, which is usually inherently problematic in itself,

rather than a negative, whichever way it turns out, as far as i'm concerned it is a positive and if you have your act together, there should be no concerns about what someone else is up to

there is also nothing unusual about folks taking a distro in a new direction, happens all the time

my ltd and mostly recent experience with puppyite in those forums in regards to his behavior, which of course went unanswered was

what the fuss was about?! and why this great concern about anything he was saying when there was far worse that didn't seem to be an issue at all wtf

many of us have seen it all years ago so here we are and i suggest to anyone getting involved with a forum or distro, to inform themselves in what they may be getting involved in to save anyone wasting time

folks who have been around usually can figure it out quick, some of us who have stumbled thru the linux noob process ought to let other noobs have some idea what to expect

puppyite a despot?! ummm ...i'm shaking in my boots and not concerned in the least, matter of fact i'm lmao

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