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Old 06-05-2011, 10:57 AM   #16
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@jonyo - as you can see from the posts above yours, this thread needs to be kept on topic - this means discussion about the direction that the new group will take. I accept that you have issues with both the Puppy devs and with other Puppy forums, but this is not the arena for those grievances: you should take them up directly with those people.
 
Old 06-07-2011, 08:00 AM   #17
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I have a third domain name which I am holding in reserve in case I fail to find an alternative method for collecting input from users concerning the Future of Puppy Linux.

www.puppylinuxforum.org

Note that as of this writing there are no websites associated with any of the DN I registered for this task therefore if you attempt to visit you will be taken to a parking page at my registrar.

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Old 06-07-2011, 12:06 PM   #18
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here's my bottom line, as long as bk is associated with murga and unless there is a clear statement that all ties are over, i'm done with puppy

i'm not wasting time trying to promote something with others who are clearly goofing around, mostly for their own purposes/agendas or other limiting reasons,

nor do i have any desire to be associated with such

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Old 06-07-2011, 02:14 PM   #19
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@jonyo - I have asked recently, please stop taking this thread off topic. This thread is to discuss a new Puppy forum started by Puppyite. If you have issues with murga take it up with them, we are not associated with murga and there is nothing we can do for whatever your issues are.
 
Old 06-07-2011, 10:02 PM   #20
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Puppyite,
Have you got a basic outline of what you would like your site to be?
IOW, are you thinking along the lines of a forum or a blog?
Do you have some possible choices as to the software you will use?
Are you going to implement polls as to giving the users of this group a
voice in what they would like to see.
It would not, by the way have to be a straight yes/no poll.
It could be a scaled poll as to how much the person using the poll would
like to see some feature implemented or left out.

Also, would you have in place a system with warnings to keep the discussions
clean or else?
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:04 AM   #21
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I have to wonder about the motivation for your post considering what you’ve said but I’ll go with it as long as you remain positive.

As to this post, I’ve already asked myself all the same questions you ask so my reply reflects my current ruminations and not a firm plan of action.

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Have you got a basic outline of what you would like your site to be?
I have goals. After I create a workable plan that satisfies my vision I will make it reality.

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IOW, are you thinking along the lines of a forum or a blog?
Not a blog, maybe a forum, or maybe two sites, one to collect input about the Future of Puppy Linux and a forum. I will select the solution that best fulfills both objectives (polling and helping users get answers about Puppy Linux). Also if I use two sites there is the problem of how to make certain that John Doe on the forum is the same John Doe who creates a poll on the polling site. I don’t yet know what the solution is but I’m working on it.

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Do you have some possible choices as to the software you will use?
Anything that is free and well supported is possible both forum and polling software.

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Are you going to implement polls as to giving the users of this group a
voice in what they would like to see.
Yes, this is mandatory.

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It would not, by the way have to be a straight yes/no poll.
It could be a scaled poll as to how much the person using the poll would
like to see some feature implemented or left out.
I know, I’ve seen branching poll software such as LimeSurvey. Problem is how to let the public (those who sign up) create their own polls without them being able to edit other peoples polls. I have yet to figure this out and therefore makes me wonder if a forum alone would be the solution. Unfortunately though AFAIK forums don't have branching polls.

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Also, would you have in place a system with warnings to keep the discussions
clean or else?
Yes, but IMO that isn’t the best or only guidance mechanism. I’m not interested in being a forum cop.

I believe if I define the goals well enough so that the public understands them they will participate constructively and the site(s) will operate on autopilot, that’s the goal, time will tell.

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Old 06-08-2011, 10:17 AM   #22
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Puppyite, both you and me are Puppy users. Since some two years Puppy is the Linux that I use. Sure I do ahve Knoppix and TinyCore and Proteus on my boot list but I am exclusively a Puppy user so I am the target for this part of the forum as I get it.

Having read through this thread two times I get that the most important for you is this

the Future of Puppy Linux.

What you have in mind can change by time but as I remember you care for Puppy to be something that many like and use.

May I ask something that is a frequent topic when a Linux reviewer test the latest Puppy.

Them almost always complain about Puppy getting booted automatically as root.

Puppy being a single user linux.

Is that part of the the Future of Puppy Linux. You have any idea about any need to Puppy to change there?

I've wondered much about this being root but unfortunately I am no Dev and does not have the needed knowledge to know how to implement multi user capabilities to Puppy. And from what I have read it is not easy at all. Takes weeks of programming 24/7 and very few are motivated to give it that much effort.

I am curious on your views on this. Sure I can do a search and see if you have shared your views on this elsewhere but I want to relate this to this thread here and now.

Root is that part of the the Future of Puppy Linux. thing you set up? Have you any Dev willing to put that much effort into changing that feature?

Honest request to get your views on this issue. In case you wonder. I am using Puppy due to it allow me to be root. I am so computer challenged that that is my way to use linux at all.
 
Old 06-08-2011, 10:30 AM   #23
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nooby,
I can’t answer your question as it would drag the discussion away from the OP.

If and when I get my user group - forum - polling site setup you can voice your desires there.

Until then the only unregulated venue I could suggest where we could discuss the root question is this. Just be sure to start a new thread.

EDIT: Just to be clear, there is very little “if” about my intention to build a new community for Puppy Linux.

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Old 06-08-2011, 01:53 PM   #24
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In terms of id validation, you could use something like OpenID to ensure that johndoe.pip.whatever on the News(?) site s that same as the JohDoe on the forum - there are a few single sign on options you could use.

In terms of your forum, I would say that you need a clear set of rules and a strong and trusted moderation team who will put in the time to enforce them - oh, and a good anti-spam filter .
 
Old 06-10-2011, 11:48 AM   #25
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XavierP,
Thanks for your input, I agree with you, RE: mods, rules, spam filter. I’ll take a look at OpenID. I’m still weighing my options about software solutions.

I have my first moderator (and I don’t even have a site up yet).

My Mission Statement and Rule Set is finished. However It won’t be available for public dissemination until I post it on my site.

About the Mission Statement: I think people will engage and participate constructively if they understand the concept and it’s goals. I intend my site to be a complete departure from previous forums - communities.

I once posted a photo of my hands on the Puppy Linux Wiki where I was an admin, the caption read: “With these hands I shape countless destinies, including my own.” Once again I am preparing to do just that.

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Old 06-10-2011, 01:46 PM   #26
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great to hear and i fully agree with the great importance of starting with a clear mission statement, the wording of which should be decided by all (or a majority)

defining what the forum will be about and in which direction it intends to go forward with should be crystal clear from the outset

my suggestions for topics is a name change for the distro and a clear break/separation from pup as it is/was

there's just too much baggage there that folks are unwilling or able to deal with, one being perception by others, security issues etc.. not to mention the limitations of fixed mindsets that goes hand in hand with being dictated to

a few repeating mind numbing themes, who also only allow themselves to make important decisions, with no rhyme or reason and at whims, will never beat numbers and facts, or even open debate not to mention inviting the will of the majority

you are organized and with a clear purpose/direction or not

open up the forum for productive discussion and debate, with rules and order that are know and enforced, take the fabulous bits available and move forward from there

for the record, puppyite and i have had no personal discussion (outsida forums) as to recent developments, he speaks for himself as do i

rules? my kids should feel free to come to a linux forum and not read garbage

i come to a linux forum mainly to talk, share, learn about THE OS, and move forward (fix, improve, tests and more tests), chit chat is a waste of time and can be sought out elsewhere, or as defined by the forum

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Old 06-10-2011, 04:36 PM   #27
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for the record i salute puppyite for his efforts here

some may know that my involvement (along with many others over time) with puppy in an active way ended some time ago due to glaring issues and before i heard or was aware of puppyite

since that time i have glanced at developments (4x series etc) which clearly became more and very problematic, except perhaps to the inmates

i have observed from a distance that there were issues with puppyite, but there were many others prior to him, while other cheerleader types, more often than not at odds with each other could do or say as they pleased hmmmmmm

frankly, dunno what the fuss is all about when it comes to puppyite, after all he is only one man expressing himself,

but he (my take anyway) is also certainly not alone in being fed up or turned off by a long time embedded and in many ways very negative status quo

in fact what is going on now has also been attempted years ago and is nothing new,

at the time, the wrong people (imo) were involved or it just didn't work, but the festering issues where there and the same

freedom rules and always will

bottom line for all is a split can be friendly or hostile and given the situation hostile it will be, as it always was anyway

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Old 06-10-2011, 05:44 PM   #28
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Quote:
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@jonyo - as you can see from the posts above yours, this thread needs to be kept on topic - this means discussion about the direction that the new group will take. I accept that you have issues with both the Puppy devs and with other Puppy forums, but this is not the arena for those grievances: you should take them up directly with those people.
I'm not only done with the murga puppy forum, but they or certainly a few that run the show are in the habit of banning dissent at will, or at least by the unexplained whims of a few, cutting off all further input from the affected

thx for allowing discussion here and feel free to conduct your forums or my posts as you wish

i have no issue with the importance of staying on a topic or enforcing it as you see fit, though i think you would agree there can sometimes be grey areas

i doubt there can be a full discussion of where the proposed forum is headed without input from where the existing forum is (or was) currently at

perhaps you can establish your rules here and a fully open discussion can take place in the new forums

here are the latest comments from their own discussion/site

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...=532859#532859

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Did you ever notice that just when a conversation starts to actually look like it might go somewhere civilly and productively, there's a bunch of people just waiting to jump in and derail it, if not turn it nonsensical enough to get it locked?

tlchost wrote:
Or have you noticed that many simple questions about policy and moderation are either not answered at all, or answered in such a way as to confuse the issue?

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Old 06-10-2011, 07:27 PM   #29
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Honest request to get your views on this issue. In case you wonder. I am using Puppy due to it allow me to be root. I am so computer challenged that that is my way to use linux at all.
give the user an easy option or choice to put the matter to rest

and not be part of yet another rootfest that takes away from the many other wonders and options of pup

not point in wasting time with pup if all you end up hearing about is root

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Old 06-10-2011, 11:14 PM   #30
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Root is that part of the the Future of Puppy Linux. thing you set up? Have you any Dev willing to put that much effort into changing that feature?
i have no doubt new folks will get interested in pup when they see that there is a new direction, starting with a basic understanding of how significant a positive, open minded and inclusive forum is to a distro

with a clear direction and purpose

not to mention folks who have no interest in the old forums or being associated with it

my understanding is the former developer of studio pup was also not a happy camper with status quo, for example

as well, some highly experienced people have also expressed displeasure with the old forums, and for some time now

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