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Old 06-13-2011, 08:21 AM   #31
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Any news on this project? I have not been able to access any of the sites linked to by puppyite. Is it usual for open source distro forums and wiki's to require personal email contact before allowing access? Do you have a new version of puppy linux to release? I am looking forward to it! I'm new to all this linux stuff. Hello everyone! LaserShark.

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Old 06-13-2011, 11:02 AM   #32
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me and my pals are also anxious to get the ball rolling, any news on the forums?

i am also thrilled at having been dumped from the sinking good ship murga after having contributed ~ 2700 postings over there,
most of it some time ago when new to linux and before knowing better..

or should i say a sinking sub heading for an impressive and inevitable implosion lol of their own making,

dumped without having any personal contact from the admins and virtually no public explanation other than murga said, thinks and rules

you can't do a wrong thing right

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Old 06-13-2011, 11:38 AM   #33
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what's in a name? lots

and lotsa folks think naming a distro puppy is silly, as in something cute and cuddly to play with, small things amuse small minds etc..

but as in real life, little puppy grows up then you reap what you sowed, ..or puppy will certainly let you know what the real deal is

so imo, a new direction must include a clear separation and new name

for consideration k9, wolf, coyote, fox etc

~ to maintain some roots

anyone?

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Old 06-13-2011, 11:42 AM   #34
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the founder should be given an opportunity to make his murga intentions known and if sticking with murga, well, i have no further use or interest in him

i also am with puppyite in his clear communications that the association with ubuntu is an excellent idea that should be fully explored and developed

it would be great to have an inviting, inclusive forum for their experienced folks, or for anyone else with a positive attitude

i have no use for folks with stinkin thinkin or other issues more important to themselves than the distro

perhaps they could play in a off topic playground for kiddies

there are plenty of other places on the net to indulge in whatever detracts from or is more important to whoever than the distro

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:06 PM   #35
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http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtop...=533927#533927

jonyo = luciferbug

you may now delete lasershark's account. thankyou.
 
Old 06-13-2011, 12:16 PM   #36
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i have no sockpuppets in the murga forums of which i am done with, dude, the murga forums was a breeding ground for making enemies over the years

if you are that shallow, whoever you are, good riddance

i speak for myself only and am not involved with whoever is doing what in the murga forums now

it is fun to watch tho

the murga forum is simply imploding on its own self inflicted misery and no one even has to lift a finger at this point

but other folks do what they have to do and i could care less

my focus is the now and future, what's done is done and i mostly left the sinking murga ship long ago

and i don't even care much what might develop here on from puppy

mostly watching to see where it might go and could easily drop out on a whim

this is puppyite's show or push, of whom i also have had no personal contact regarding his ideas or what he is up to

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:23 PM   #37
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You have quite a distinctive linguistic style, jonyo. You give yourself away too easily. Peace.

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #38
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and i know what i know and that you are babbling, good riddance

i'll repeat, i have no sockpuppets or have ever had any in the murga forums

or can i be bothered participating in with what folks are doing there

doesn't surprise me at all that others wanna do their thing tho but i'm not associated with them

i don't care what conclusions you or your type might come to

and if the murga forums have a sockpuppet problem, which clearly they do, that is their problem and i could care less

they brought it on themselves and they have to deal with it

i wouldn't even click on links there, in my short recent venture there, posts from high profile players lead to porn links

wouldn't even be surprised if the forum is hacked

edit- dunno who this luciferbug is but i must say he/she/they?? are good and playing them well like the amateur fiddlers that they are (*** see below)

the bottom line is a forum is responsible and accountable for itself and what happens there, or anything that can be read and easily linked to, particularly if serious about representing a linux distro to a worldwide audience, iow, take care of biz or someone else will

it is also refreshing to participate here in a well moderated forum, where there is a clear understanding of the basics and fundamental prime importance of keeping on topic to the original OP

i'm surprised there have not been more attempts thus far to derail this thread, but i doubt if it is even attempted further, that it will go anywhere

and even if this thread has to be moderated further or even locked for whatever reason, i fully expect there will be another forum up and running soon

(***)last edit - this comment by luciferbug in the murga forums is hilarious,

"I got no prob with mods.. they do best they can with just good old common sense... what say we close this thread and be glad we got it so good?"

he/she of course knows that is ridiculous if not preposterous but is encouraging it lol

i'm not even gonna bother linking it, you folks can figure it out for yourselves, as well, lasershark has already provided a link (above) to the (yet another ridiculous) thread that started with discussion about simple moderation, and is now all over the place including moved posts and who knows what else, gee, what a surprise

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Old 06-13-2011, 01:38 PM   #39
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@Lasershark - we at LQ sympathise with Murga if they have problems with sockpuppetry, spam links and the like. However, as well as there being naff all we can do about it, we're not really interested in discussing it. Murga's problems are Murga's problems. As noted above, and as was being followed up until incredibly recently, this thread is to discuss Puppyite's new forum so please do not derail it.
 
Old 06-14-2011, 01:26 PM   #40
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i would just like to thank XavierP, who clearly has experience and quality skills as a mod, and has quickly set a tone here for the inevitable, who knows what bs from whom spilling out from the other place, which has clearly been a mess for some time and is currently in disarray

i don't expect to see anyone from the other place to be able to function here, or able to deal with or discuss basic issues let alone stay on a topic

particularly having to do with opinions and issues regarding moving forward

nobody seems to even have much to say about the topic, let alone show some coherency..

"this thread is to discuss Puppyite's new forum"

..where there are rules in effect and yet there are ~ 30k registered members in the other forum and puppy has recently been ranked ~ #8 at distrowatch

and to top it off, anyone is still free to speak here

it is a clear and sharp contrast between quality here and dealing with a simple topic/getting something done, vs the opposite elsewhere

edit - for anyone who can be bothered figuring it out, but wants a good laugh, this latest comment over there to a new mod (a poor choice to begin with, an untested rookie known to go on aimless thread rants of his own, wreaking his own new havoc etc ) by yet another sockpuppet (who is working against them) is hilarious lol

"That seems like a first rate tactic and a prospective winning strategy."

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Old 06-15-2011, 10:44 AM   #41
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What the New Puppy Linux Forum will and will not be:

The New Puppy Linux Forum will not be a breeding ground for hate speech against individuals, religions, governments, anyone or anything. All of which are in evidence on the murga-linux forum on a daily basis both in and out of the euphemistically named “Truly off-topic” section.

If you doubt what I say about the culture of murga-linux here is a direct quote from Flash one of their longest serving admins:

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Flash,
“A well-thought-out policy with posted rules would just give vandals a fixed target, and be the source of constant carping by jailhouse lawyers.”
You can read this to mean that rules just get in the way of allowing your crony buddies from saying whatever they wish and at the same time instilling fear in the lower classes about what will get them banned.

And the most damming evidence of all about the culture of antipathy cultivated at murga-linux comes from John de Murga (a.k.a. John Murga) (a.k.a. Judge Dredd as his avatar suggests) owner of said forum:

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“The reason why the truly off-topic area was set up was because people wanted a place to discuss things that had nothing to do with Puppy/Linux/Technology with the friends or enemies they had made in the other areas. The main objective was for people to have an area where they'd be free to talk about whatever they wanted.”
Excuse me? Friends AND enemies? Why would you want to foster the creation of enemies John let alone create a place where they could attack one another or anything else they please?

Both of the above comments are found in a thread purportedly created to announce my new users group - New Puppy Linux Forum (a thread created after my ban from murga-linux).

And in that thread when the good citizens of murga-linux “Community” tired of deriding me and my ideas and when the thread went seriously off topic as treads always do there they set about to discuss the possibility of posting rules that people could read and understand, the inevitable result of which was DOA.

All of the above leads me to define what the New Puppy Linux Forum will and will not be:
  • It will be a place where people can ask for or give help with Puppy Linux.
  • It will be a place where people can discuss The Future of Puppy Linux.
  • It will be a place where developers can have public but “developer only” discussions about how best to craft Puppy Linux in response to users needs.
  • It will have clearly posted rules and penalties for violations of said rules. These rules will apply equally to all members regardless of post count, join date, or most importantly privileged status. No one save myself will have privileged status in my community and I will only use that status for the greater good and not my personal aggrandizement.
  • It will be a place where people can have friendly personal discussions away from technical topics and not in a cesspool called “Truly off-topic”, or like murga-linux as a whole, a place where thread drift is king and attacks are a way of life for both members and staff alike.
In short the New Puppy Linux Forum will achieve everything the murga-linux forum has failed at.

Regards,
Puppyite
 
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:09 AM   #42
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wonderful, what is being offered is focus, something that appeals to folks who like to get things done and not waste time with other mindless bs or riff raff

other than general and rare blurbs bordering on comical fantasies or murgaisms

the only written guideline (a murga quote) i'm aware of from the other place is

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Removing posts without a trace is against the guidelines of the forum.
(Except for spam)
a link or links can be provided for the above but i can't be bothered and the mod here has spoken on linking directly over there..

so they now have to deal with what everyone can see is posts disappearing all over the place with a newly appointed mod

it is a 2 bit forum and amazing to me that no one is taking the owner to task and demanding answers

whatever goes on there reflects on everyone there as well as all of linux

and there is a ton of garbage there that can be had by anyone by just providing simple links

in the interest of discussing what a future forum will be about, ideally, comparisons with what was, good bad or ugly, and what will be can be covered to some extent and i would fully expect that in the new forums

however it is of course up to the admnins here to decide how far that may go or what latitude may be exercised

it is certainly understandable that a properly run forum, with a clear focus and purpose, has no interest in what is someone elses problem spilling over

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Old 06-15-2011, 11:31 AM   #43
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Sounds like you have a clear steer for your forum. If you do have a history with the Murga forum you may well get an "invasion" by people who wish to continue whatever arguments were started there - my advice is to either have a stock response for them or to simply make sure that you do not respond in anger, stay calm and be polite and they will cease.

Best of luck with the new site.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:47 AM   #44
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it is amazing that of ~ 30k registered members, not even one known member has yet stepped up to the plate, to speak in defense, or rebuttal

but then again, if you had any history with the old, you would not be surprised at all

thx for tips, it is certainly an adjustment coming over here after having spent any time over there

and after everything that has developed up to this point, anyone can still speak here now, all i've seen is some mild moderation and a few locked posts that were dealt with quick as they should have been

you can have productive discussion with results or the opposite, given a choice, i prefer the former

you can't beat 'real' freedom of speech

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Old 06-15-2011, 01:14 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by puppyite View Post
No one save myself will have privileged status in my community and I will only use that status for the greater good and not my personal aggrandizement.
i'm not sure what this means exactly but it does sound problematic,

off the top 'my' vs 'our' community
no one means no one etc

i'm not really worried about it at this point and i would expect that nothing is set in stone yet

i'll just suggest for now that it (and other stuff) can be wide open to interpretation that could mean many things, not to mention there may be no point in going into certain irrelevant areas

there is bound to be plenty of discussion on ALL aspects of moving forward including vitally important key wordings of mission statements and such

if it was me, i would would put forward and define goals, purpose, vision etc and be fully open to hear all opinions for productive discussion and debate that likely will only be touched on here

the founder said key words years ago that give direction, and in the fewest words of course

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00417
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The way ahead for Puppy is for individuals (or very small group) to "take the bull by the horns", get stuck in and do something. Then present the result.

Posted on 15 Oct 2008, 17:37 - Category: Retirement
whatever one may think of the murga forums, they have long time supporters and it is certainly rich in talent and experience, imo best to leave them do whatever they want there and focus on the new direction that includes anyone interested in another option, working with focus, clear rules and with an active say in the new direction

whatever forum issues they may have, they have contributed greatly to where puppy is at today

but as the situation currently stands, i personally have zero interest in and am in favor of not being associated with the murga forums in any way whatsoever

this could perhaps be communicated in the mission statement where it is made very clear, and without emotion

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