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Old 09-09-2011, 12:58 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by anomie View Post
what did you expect to get from this thread?
Well, I expected someone to tell me "which" specialist
I should go to, other than a GP. I was looking for some
motivations too.
SigTerm made me realize that that abnormal fatigue
can be caused by different reasons, so it is only a
(quality) GP who can find out the real cause and
redirect me to a specialist.
SLooB's point made it very clear that even light exerc-
ises "may" not be suitable in certain cases.
Salasi's post was quite motivating too.
This thread has been much useful for me.

So, the follow up is, that I went to a GP in a VERY
expensive hospital (entry fees of $10.8), and for the
very first time I found this GP talking sense! He asked
me to get the blood test done for Haemoglobin and Thyroid
,and now since those tests have turned up positive, he
has referred me to a stress/depression specialist.
I won't be going there though.

I think drinking at least 3 litres of water will help too,
if the heat is the culprit.

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What should happen, if you go to a General Practitioner is that they send you off to the appropriate specialist. This often not what happens, however, until you push on them, and keep pushing on them for something constructive.
Wow, and I used to think that it is only the under developed
countries which have the ridicioula doctors! GPs redirecting
one to a specialist is a rare sight here.
Usually in India GP starts issuing pills for nearly everything.
I was given 5 different pills when I had the stitches on my elbow.
and I remember last year my then boyfriend (software developer)
used to have regular headaches due to the strain from the
computer screen. A renowned GP asked him for a MRI scan (which
is VERY VERY expensive) to check for tumors etc. Fortunately he
referred to a known doc who asked him to exercise his neck and
eyes, and now he's perfectly alright!
I have heard that even the simple talks regarding head will make
the doc recommend MRI scans here in India.

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Originally Posted by FredGSanford View Post
Ok sorry...I'll remove what I said, I was just kidding.
There was no need to remove that statement,
those small bursts of humor are necessary to
keep the /General live and interesting, IMO.

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H View Post
They later sent me a bill for no less than $50,000 for an ER visit
For that amount we can purchase "two"
Nanos here in India. ;-)

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Sorry about the next bit, I cant really figure out a way to say this tactfully but still be clear.
A way to say the same decently can be,
to use the word "urine" instead of "piss".
To me, "piss" sounds vulgar enough to turn
me off completely.

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Old 09-09-2011, 01:29 AM   #47
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For that amount we can purchase "two"
Nanos here in India. ;-)
//offtopic
A used car (20 years old) may cost around $1500. So 50000/1500 - 33 cars.
 
Old 09-09-2011, 03:33 AM   #48
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Ok sorry...I'll remove what I said, I was just kidding.

There was no need to remove that statement,
those small bursts of humor are necessary to
keep the /General live and interesting, IMO.
That's how I felt and feel also, we need humor to keep us sane...

Thnx.
 
Old 09-09-2011, 04:20 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Anisha Kaul View Post
So, the follow up is, that I went to a GP in a VERY
expensive hospital (entry fees of $10.8), and for the
very first time I found this GP talking sense! He asked
me to get the blood test done for Haemoglobin and Thyroid
,and now since those tests have turned up positive, he
has referred me to a stress/depression specialist.
I won't be going there though.
Hmmmm. A haemoglobin and thyroid test shows up 'positive' and they want you to go to a 'stress/depression specialist'? (probably a psych, maybe a doctor with psych qualifications). Odd.

I can think of various reason why this might be the case, but I'm going to double-check with the medical guys I know before I say thing much.

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I think drinking at least 3 litres of water will help too,
if the heat is the culprit.
If you are dehydrated, yes, it will help. If you are low on some soluable vitamin or mineral, or have an electrolyte inbalance, it can actually hurt you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anisha Kaul View Post
Wow, and I used to think that it is only the under developed
countries which have the ridicioula doctors! GPs redirecting
one to a specialist is a rare sight here.
Usually in India GP starts issuing pills for nearly everything.
I was given 5 different pills when I had the stitches on my elbow.
and I remember last year my then boyfriend (software developer)
used to have regular headaches due to the strain from the
computer screen. A renowned GP asked him for a MRI scan (which
is VERY VERY expensive) to check for tumors etc. Fortunately he
referred to a known doc who asked him to exercise his neck and
eyes, and now he's perfectly alright!
I have heard that even the simple talks regarding head will make
the doc recommend MRI scans here in India.
Doctors world-wide tend to give you pills. How much that is due to 'the customer expects it', or because they dotn know about other teatments (or dont believe that the patient will follow a different treatment method) is debatable.

Doctors asking patients for MRIs, etc can happen for various reasons as well. It could be they actually think the MRI might show a 'hidden' problem, or it could be they are getting kickbacks from the place that does MRIs, etc.......

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A way to say the same decently can be,
to use the word "urine" instead of "piss".
To me, "piss" sounds vulgar enough to turn
me off completely.
I wont make any of the smart-alec comments that jump to mind.

I value clarity over jargon. I also dont see why a latin-based word like 'urine' should be any 'cleaner' than a german-based word like 'piss'. Its the same act, its the same product, and its he same metal image. IMO the only reason why latin is seen as 'cleaner' or 'more professional' is because doctors use it.

I'll refer you to this-

Quote:
n "Politics and the English Language", Orwell provides six rules for writers:

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

—George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, Horizon, April 1946
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

Link to "Politics and the English Language", be warned its fairly heavy to read-

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

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Old 09-09-2011, 04:44 AM   #50
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Hmmmm. A haemoglobin and thyroid test shows up 'positive' and they want you to go to a 'stress/depression specialist'? (probably a psych, maybe a doctor with psych qualifications). Odd.
By positive, I actually meant that doc didn't find any
problems with my test reports.

Quote:
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If you are dehydrated, yes, it will help. If you are low on some soluable vitamin or mineral, or have an electrolyte inbalance, it can actually hurt you.
Doc said that there is no need to test for the vitamin
deficiencies for the X reasons. Though I will be taking
multivitamin tablets.

Quote:
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I also dont see why a latin-based word like 'urine' should be any 'cleaner' than a german-based word like 'piss'. I'll refer you to this-
There is a cultural difference.
Firstly girls here don't talk on these things openly
with male strangers, even if we do, I prefer using the
scientific words, they don't sound much vulgar since
we are used to reading them in the school books.
Referring me to any kind of documents, is not going to
change my opinion in this context.

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Old 09-09-2011, 06:09 AM   #51
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By positive, I actually meant that doc didn't find any
problems with my test reports.
Afaik(I'm non-native speaker), in english when "test comes/shows/turns up positive" it normally means "test confirms initial suspicions". In this case that would mean Hemoglobin is bad/low.

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Old 09-09-2011, 08:56 AM   #52
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Afaik(I'm non-native speaker), in english when "test comes/shows/turns up positive" it normally means "test confirms initial suspicions". In this case that would mean Hemoglobin is bad/low.
I'm a native speaker, and if she tells me that she had a hemoglobin and thyroid test, and it came up positive, then I'd interpret that to mean that the test confirms she has hemoglobin and a thyroid... which I could have confirmed independently, since she's still alive, and saved her some inconvenience.

The usage for positive/negative in this case is where "I'm testing for the presence of X", a positive result indicates the presence of X, and a negative result means it's not present. Whether a positive or negative result is a good thing depends on what X is. For example, at different times in their lives, people tend to want a different result on a pregnancy test.

In this case, I'd say the usage of positive/negative is probably incorrect, and it's best to just say they didn't find any issues.

It looks like the doctor ruled out thyroid disfunction and anemia, and then immediately jumped on the "it's all in your head" bandwagon. He failed.
 
Old 09-09-2011, 09:17 AM   #53
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SLooB's point made it very clear that even light exerc-
ises "may" not be suitable in certain cases.
I do want to emphasize, however, that it's definitely worth a try. Just be careful, and listen to your body. If you start to feel worse, like if you become nauseous, dizzy, or lightheaded, then stop immediately.

Also, while I'm glad you're going to do better in staying hydrated, I'd definitely recommend doing what you can to stay cool. Because, while I know nothing of your individual local climate, I'd say that daytime summer temps in India with no air conditioning are a perfect formula for heat stress, so if I were your doctor, I'd make that my number one suspect.

Next time you're feeling so tired you don't even want to get up... take your temperature.
 
Old 09-09-2011, 02:19 PM   #54
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So, the follow up is, that I went to a GP in a VERY
expensive hospital (entry fees of $10.8), and for the
very first time I found this GP talking sense! He asked
me to get the blood test done for Haemoglobin and Thyroid
,and now since those tests have turned up positive, he
has referred me to a stress/depression specialist.
I won't be going there though.
What do you mean the tests are positive ? Positive in what way ? I mean, from what I've seen of these blood tests they give numbers and whether it is over or under the accepted range ... positive doesn't mean anything in particular.

If these were altered, i.e. Hemoglobin was low (anemia) or T4 was low and TSH high (hypothyroidism), then I don't see why you would need a depression specialist, you would need either Iron or Iodine or both.

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Old 09-10-2011, 09:13 AM   #55
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If you've seen a decent GP and the tests they decided to run showed no problems, I'd try alternative medicine before assuming it's all in the mind. You have plenty of Ayurvedic and Homeopathic practitioners in India, so try one. That sort of holistic medicine is often better at dealing with chronic problems. I had both migraine and hayfever cured homeopathically.
 
Old 09-10-2011, 12:30 PM   #56
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It looks like the doctor ruled out thyroid disfunction and anemia, and then immediately jumped on the "it's all in your head" bandwagon.
That is exactly what had happened. As he prescribed me
the tests he said that if these two tests don't
show any problems, I'll direct you to the stress doctor!

Now I am thinking of going to another GP, it'll again cost
me the $10. But this time, I seriously don't feel that it'll
be of any use.

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I'd say that daytime summer temps in India with no air conditioning are a perfect formula for heat stress
I don't think that absence of AC should be the problem,
most of the middle class families here don't have the
ACs at home, but I haven't met/heard anyone facing this
kind of acute fatigue! I have lived in much hotter areas
before (7 years back), but never had any problems of this
sort.

I am typing this now (at 22:36) and I am very happy right
now. I just went to KFC to have dinner and the AC there
filled me with lots of energy and the cool breeze on the
way back was like a icing on the cake!

AC is just a temporary solution! Let me see if I get something
from walks and water.

Thanks for the concern.
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You have plenty of Ayurvedic and Homeopathic practitioners in India, so try one.
That's a nice reminder, I'll try that, thanks.
 
Old 09-13-2011, 09:15 AM   #57
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I believe we are better doctor of our own body. Most of our health related issues are because of our poor lifestyle and diet. I also face same no energy problem. If you face this problem during working days, i believe this is normal. But if you carry in weekends here are my few quick suggestions which I apply on me "sometimes":

1. Change your diet. it really works. Dont eat too much. Dont eat too less. It should be moderate in quantity. Docs says have breakfast like king, lunch like prince and dinner like beggar.
2. Use olive oil. Have fresh fruits, vegetables and water more in your diet. Dont eat rice more then once in a day. Once you wake up have full glass of water. Eat dates regularly.
3. Stop taking tea/coffee more than twice a day.
4. Driving that much will also exhausting you. Find alternate for few days and see the difference.
5. Dont watch TV too much. Dont use computer for a longer period.
6. Brisk walk in early morning or after dinner.
7. Constipation problem also leads to same. My cousin had this recently.
8. If i have no work in office, i feel more tire.
9. I feel tired if I use mobile too much.
10. Dont spend more than 8 hours in office.

You also need to see your tiredness is mentally or physically.

Sometimes staying with high energy people also helps.
 
Old 09-13-2011, 09:48 AM   #58
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Being a Desert creature.

Today is going to be 105F.

I find taking a nap/siesta during the hottest part of the day in the shade helps with fatigue. Summer here makes one move slower than winter or you will just collapse.

Staying off the computer screen (if I am online too long. I am beat/tired) and going for a cruise on my scooter (like you do) but going to a dairy queen and getting a ice cream cone to treat myself improves my energy level and outlook on life. Visiting with bros and just hanging out instead of staying home helps me also.

I've been doing some beta testing for developers and that will wear one out serious like. Darkened rooms lead to fatigue.

Me. I was diagnosed with a thyroid problem. Doc said I will experience excess fatigue because of that. Me being a battler. I try and find ways around it. No pills (hate them). Flying the friendly skies how ever gives me more energy and appetite. But these things effect people differently from person to person. For me. Pain becomes less of a issue relating to fatigue.

Hope you feel better. Happy Trails, Rok

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Old 09-13-2011, 09:49 AM   #59
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I just went to KFC to have dinner
Ok... I think we've found the problem...
 
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I don't think that absence of AC should be the problem,
most of the middle class families here don't have the
ACs at home, but I haven't met/heard anyone facing this
kind of acute fatigue! I have lived in much hotter areas
before (7 years back), but never had any problems of this
sort.

I am typing this now (at 22:36) and I am very happy right
now. I just went to KFC to have dinner and the AC there
filled me with lots of energy and the cool breeze on the
way back was like a icing on the cake!

AC is just a temporary solution! Let me see if I get something
from walks and water.
Not all homes are the same, nor are all bodies. It could be that you're more sensitive to heat stress than most because of the way you're built. Women in general are more prone to heat stress than men, because a man's blood flow is closer to the skin, which allows for more efficient heat exchange. Heavier people are also more prone, because fat acts as insulation. It could be that you're more prone to it through environmental factors, because you're wearing heavier and/or darker clothing, have long hair, and/or wear heavy makeup, because your home is warmer than most (poor insulation, thin or absent window coverings, exposed to more direct sunlight, etc.).

So, whether your neighbors are having an issue or not is entirely beside the point. All that matters is what the temperature is inside your home when you begin experiencing symptoms, and what your body temperature is at those times. The human body generates heat that must be exhausted, and if that can't be done at the appropriate rate, it does have health consequences.

I'm not saying air conditioning has to be the answer. Anything that can help you bring down your core temp would be a plus. Look to your home to see what you could do to make it cooler... insulation, fans, window coverings, etc. And then look to your behaviors to see what you can do to keep cool during the worst of the day's heat, whether that is dressing lighter, chewing ice cubes, spritzing yourself with water from a spray bottle, etc.
 
  


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