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Old 09-02-2011, 12:37 PM   #16
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Actually, there are several possible causes of chronic fatigue related to the cardiovascular and ...
That's why I mentioned - light ones. That means whichever suits her body type.

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Old 09-02-2011, 01:19 PM   #17
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What should happen, if you go to a General Practitioner is that they send you off to the appropriate specialist. This often not what happens, however, until you push on them, and keep pushing on them for something constructive. This complicates matters, but you should still start by trying that to see if you are lucky.

The idea of a blood test is a good one, but sometimes these are done so ineptly that the results are not of much value (measuring whole blood magnesium rather than red cell magnesium, which is a simple conversion, does happen, and sometimes the range of tests done is not adequate).

GPs often start from idiotic premises, and move on to irrational reassurances (the patient is obviously worried about cancer, and the blood test results allow me to give reassurance that cancer is definitely not the cause, so I'll state that there can be nothing wrong...this doesn't actually help when there is clearly something wrong).

Unfortunately, Doctors often have the 'pill for every ill' mindset, and want to get to point at which they can select a likely proprietary remedy from their 'Big Book of Pills and Potions' and anything that doesn't have an appropriate pill to take is given short shrift, and either dismissed as a non-problem or the patient dismissed as being, in some way, wrong. This is also not helpful.

Having gone through all of that doom and gloom, I would suggest that, in parallel:
  • You try to take control of your own illness - the Doctor is an advisor, and you are in charge, but you do have to take responsibility
  • You make a notebook of symptoms, of when and where they happen, and what the environmental factors (diet, weather, at work/not at work) are. For a techie, this could be an excuse to do something database/data mining-related, but a notebook may serve just as well.
  • The Chronic fatigue suggestion is quite interesting, but be aware that there is debate whether that is one well-defined syndrome or a loosely grouped set of vague symptoms with different causes. However, in every case, there seems to be something immune-system related, and so you should take note of anything that could be immune-system related (allergies, infections)
  • You diet seems, from what you said, to be very heavily rice-based. It would be a good idea to switch around your diet a bit as
  • rice isn't, by itself, a great nutrient source, unless mixed with other foodstuffs that complement the deficiencies in rice
  • could be an allergy - if you suddenly feel better after a few days off rice, that would point in that direction (and would point you towards a 'challenge diet', if you can bear it)
  • You won't have a properly functioning immune system unless you have good nutrition

I don't know what the 'air con' thing is about - it could be just temperature (is your fluid intake adequate, as high temps and inadequate fluid intake is a bad combination, and is the problem less pronounced in the cooler part of the year)? or it could be filtration in the air con unit filtering some pollutant out of the air.

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I have been to general physicians before, they give general tonics etc., they work for some time, but then again, the situation is same.
That does sound like nutrition, but also bear in mind that it could also be the placebo effect, and sometimes with immune system problems, acting directly on the symptom (nutrition) does make the immune system work correctly again, which makes the nutrition problem worse again, so there is no overall gain. This kind of thing happens, eg, in undiagnosed Coeliac disease patients.

As far as the exercise thing is concerned, it is very important if CFS is suspected to build the exercise up very gradually as a sudden increase can cause a relapse.

I wish you good luck, and don't give up if your initial contact with the medical system is unpromising!
 
Old 09-02-2011, 01:27 PM   #18
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@Anisha Kaul:

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I wouldn't take medical advise from LQ members...
Exactly. With respect (I know you're a long-time forum member), what did you expect to get from this thread? If you need medical assistance, go to a professional. You only get one body. I suggest you do not entrust its care to the likes of us.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 01:30 PM   #19
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... don't give up if your initial contact with the medical system is unpromising!
I agree with that as well. You are the primary stakeholder in your own health. Sometimes second, third, and fourth opinions (or even new approaches) are needed to get a proper diagnosis.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 01:45 PM   #20
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That's why I mentioned - light ones. That means whichever suits her body type.

Regards.
I wasn't taking issue with the suggestion of light exercise so much as I was taking issue with the emphatic declaration that, "That WILL help." Depending on what's going on, that could be the worst thing for her, so a guarantee is inappropriate.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 01:59 PM   #21
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I wasn't taking issue with the suggestion of light exercise so much as I was taking issue with the emphatic declaration that, "That WILL help." Depending on what's going on, that could be the worst thing for her, so a guarantee is inappropriate.
She's 28 and as far as she described her problem and symptoms, light exercises don't seem to a problem IMO.


Regards.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 02:38 PM   #22
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She's 28 and as far as she described her problem and symptoms, light exercises don't seem to a problem IMO.


Regards.
So light exercise is no problem if she's experiencing heat exhaustion, which could push her into heat stroke? Light exercise is no problem if the issue is anemia or a heart arrythmia?
 
Old 09-02-2011, 02:46 PM   #23
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Tell the doctor that you ride a scooter for 1.5 hrs / day. Could be fatigue of holding the handlebars in a rigid position and the unaccustomed strain. If the doctor specifies physiotherapy then check that it is the classic type where you exercise your limbs instead of just a vibrating machine, wax bath etc that some hospitals have. Haven't been to Gurgaon myself but my friends who live there say that except the main roads, the others are bumpy and poorly maintained. If that is the case, avoid regular scooter use.

OK

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Old 09-02-2011, 03:18 PM   #24
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So light exercise is no problem if she's experiencing heat exhaustion, which could push her into heat stroke? Light exercise is no problem if the issue is anemia or a heart arrythmia?
IMO <- too hard to understand?

I feel arguing with you over this is unnecessary, but as per I see her posts, it doesn't seem to be leading to something really very serious IMO.

Anisha, go see a doctor though nobody likes to visit one; my dad's a doctor and I know that very well

Regards.

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Old 09-02-2011, 04:12 PM   #25
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IMO, don't understand that?

I feel arguing with you over this is unnecessary, but as per I see her posts, it doesn't seem to be leading to something really very serious IMO.

Anisha, go see a doctor though nobody likes to visit one; my dad's a doctor and I know that very well

Regards.
I agree that this is all totally unnecessary, though I still don't know why you insist on diagnosing this as non-serious based on a handful of sentences in a forum. Right now you're embodying everything I hate in the medical field, where doctors all too often rush to a guess and shove you out the door, without even bothering to gather evidential support. If I were to troubleshoot my servers the same way they troubleshoot humans, I'd be out of a job. And there are no lives at stake if I guess wrong.

My wife was nearly killed as a child when her case of meningitis was repeatedly misdiagnosed as the flu, and she's convinced she lost some cognitive ability as a result. She has been rendered barren because her endometriosis was left untreated for too many years while doctors pretended she was just being a baby about normal PMS (one doctor asked me if I thought she might be crazy). And now that she's suffering an undiagnosed degeneration of her spine at the ripe old age of 31, the general consensus of the medical community seems to be, "Here are some pills, call us when your legs stop moving." So yeah, this sort of thing is NOT to be taken lightly. There are some real consequences to this sort of irresponsible behavior.

Also, when you say things like, "This WILL help," you're not stating it as an opinion, you're stating it as an undeniable fact, so hopefully you can see why "IMO" doesn't help. You've already been exposed to a few very serious conditions that could be a cause of this sort of thing, so ignorance is no longer an excuse.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 04:45 PM   #26
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Peace, my friend. I understand your sentiments related to whatever happened with your wife.

I just suggested what worked for me when I was in the same condition.
I once been in the same condition because of my hectic 24*7 support life, as Anisha is in now. I refused to take any kinda medicines then, I found out that I had all of a sudden quit my daily kick boxing and other martial arts practices, so my body was not getting adjusted to all the lousiness I've been exposed to.
I started all that again from a slow pace to the normal, and I was back to my normal health.

And apart from all that, I don't think brisk walking in early hours can cause troubles for a healthy female or for that concern anybody?

Regards.

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Peace, my friend. I understand your sentiments related to whatever happened with your wife.

I just suggested what worked for me when I was in the same condition.
I once been in the same condition because of my hectic 24*7 support life, as Anisha is in now. I refused to take any kinda medicines then, I found out that I had all of a sudden quit my daily kick boxing and other martial arts practices, so my body was not getting adjusted to all the lousiness I've been exposed to.
I started all that again from a slow pace to the normal, and I was back to my normal health.

And apart from all that, I don't think brisk walking in early hours can cause troubles for a healthy female or for that concern anybody?

Regards.
Brisk walking in the early or late hours was quite strenuous for my mom in her last year, and she'd have to frequently stop and rest. She was dealing with congestive heart failure, and it's not like she was an old lady, she was just in her early 50s. She wasn't overweight, either.

One of the symptoms of that condition is... drum roll... fatigue.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 11:37 PM   #28
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Go to a professional person that knows and uses Acupuncture!!
 
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I recommend Iodine (as long as you are not allergic) and Iron supplements.

You should see a good doctor, it doesn't matter what specialty. Probably a general practitioner is who people have access to most, so go there. Ask around for a good one.
 
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The biggest health problem in the west today is CANDIDA, and a major symptom is fatigue.

Its a yeast organism that eats when you do, but expels toxic waste into your blood stream, and so causes tiredness, and a lot of other problems.

Its caused by anti-biotics in meat, courses of AB's, a refined sugar diet (white bread, soda, etc).

If you've got it bad, you will have bloated stomach, maybe sour taste in the mouth (oral candida).

Women get thrush, its the same organism, but in the large intestine.

Its funny, because I'm having problems with my GP here in the UK. Basically, he doesnt know anything about it. THE most important and neglected health problem in the UK (trust me, Im not a doctor), and GP's dont know anything about it. Its often misdiagnosed as irritable bowl syndrome, so that should give you an idea of how widespread it is.

Infact, most GP's are completely useless. Im having to fight my own GP even for a full investigation into my problem. He refuses to do it. Im not taking no for an answer. I will get my way. Let me tell you, they dont give a monkeys about you, you have to insist on everything, or they will just send you home saying 'its all in your head'. They say that to everyone who has a problem that they cant work out. If they havent read about it in a text book, then it doesnt exist. GP's are 30 years behind in the UK.

The problem I believe is that GP's in the UK dont need to keep up to date, because they are payed by the government. I say scrap ALL NHS services except A&E, and let these doctors fight for private money. They will be forced to either up their game or starve. The service from GP's at the moment is dire, and the amount of money being wasted by the NHS on GP salaries is staggering.

If the US decides to go down the socialized healthcare route, then be prepared to spend a mega-crazy amount of money, for poor performance, especially from General Practioners, they are over-payed, pompus, and a disgrace to medicine. They will not listen to their patients. Consultants are worth their weight in gold, and front-line nurses, but GP's are a joke in the UK. If you read any of the online newspapers, whenever there is a story about GP's, there will be so many stories of poor performance.

Everyday there are stories of GP incompetence. Not sending seriously sick people for tests, and then they die. Its an outrage here in the UK.

You simply can not find another group of 'professionals' that are so bad at their job. And dont you dare have an opinion on what might be wrong with you. You are just the patient.

They make me sick. Hows that for irony.

/endrant

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