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Old 09-03-2011, 07:45 PM   #31
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Infact, most GP's are completely useless. Im having to fight my own GP even for a full investigation into my problem. He refuses to do it. Im not taking no for an answer. I will get my way. Let me tell you, they dont give a monkeys about you, you have to insist on everything, or they will just send you home saying 'its all in your head'. They say that to everyone who has a problem that they cant work out. If they havent read about it in a text book, then it doesnt exist. GP's are 30 years behind in the UK.

The problem I believe is that GP's in the UK dont need to keep up to date, because they are payed by the government. I say scrap ALL NHS services except A&E, and let these doctors fight for private money. They will be forced to either up their game or starve. The service from GP's at the moment is dire, and the amount of money being wasted by the NHS on GP salaries is staggering.
I'm behind you 100% on this. Why you need to fight to get a full health check is beyond me. Why not just do it then use the results as a baseline for any future problems you might encounter. No instead they try to push pills on you, without even knowing if the treatment is appropriate or not. Do you really think the health service could cope if everyone took a keen interest in their health.. I doubt it.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 02:58 PM   #32
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Ok sorry...I'll remove what I said, I was just kidding.

I'm sure no one would ask real medical questions and expect great answers on a tech forum either.

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Old 09-05-2011, 05:00 PM   #33
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You need to see Dr. Feelgood... Now take off all your clothes and say ahhhhhh.
Lmao..
 
Old 09-06-2011, 12:18 PM   #34
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That was not very funny, especially since the question was genuine.
 
Old 09-06-2011, 02:15 PM   #35
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If the US decides to go down the socialized healthcare route, then be prepared to spend a mega-crazy amount of money, for poor performance, especially from General Practioners, they are over-payed, pompus, and a disgrace to medicine. They will not listen to their patients. Consultants are worth their weight in gold, and front-line nurses, but GP's are a joke in the UK. If you read any of the online newspapers, whenever there is a story about GP's, there will be so many stories of poor performance.
Sounds like you've already been in the US, because we're already paying mega-crazy amounts of money for overpaid, pompous asses that don't listen to their patients.
 
Old 09-06-2011, 09:24 PM   #36
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And dont you dare have an opinion on what might be wrong with you. You are just the patient.
There is part of your problem (and I'm not saying your wrong, though I think that your 'biggest health problem in the west today is CANDIDA' is just an opinion, and a long way from 'hard fact').

Doctors generally dont like patients to have ideas about what could be wrong for them, for a long list of reasons.

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The problem I believe is that GP's in the UK dont need to keep up to date, because they are payed by the government. I say scrap ALL NHS services except A&E, and let these doctors fight for private money. They will be forced to either up their game or starve. The service from GP's at the moment is dire, and the amount of money being wasted by the NHS on GP salaries is staggering.
I dont see how privatising health care is going to make things better. Its not going to change the training or comptence of doctors. People will still go to the doctor, they will just pay more...

There would be far better ways to stop money being 'wasted' by the U.K. government than cutting the NHS.

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Sounds like you've already been in the US, because we're already paying mega-crazy amounts of money for overpaid, pompous asses that don't listen to their patients.
I was shocked a few years ago when I was talking to somebody online, and they told me they had paid $1000 US for 10-12 stiches in his leg...and thought that was a good deal. A few weeks later I had to visit a private hospital, and while I was there I asked a few docs/nurses/admin staff how much I would pay for 10-12 stiches in the leg. About $175-200.
 
Old 09-07-2011, 08:59 AM   #37
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I was shocked a few years ago when I was talking to somebody online, and they told me they had paid $1000 US for 10-12 stiches in his leg...and thought that was a good deal. A few weeks later I had to visit a private hospital, and while I was there I asked a few docs/nurses/admin staff how much I would pay for 10-12 stiches in the leg. About $175-200.
Yeah, and how much for the insurance?

There are a number of studies out there that show that the US pays far more on healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and for results that aren't any better than anyone else's.
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php
http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/OECD042111.cfm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...of-world-obama
 
Old 09-07-2011, 09:47 AM   #38
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I was shocked a few years ago when I was talking to somebody online, and they told me they had paid $1000 US for 10-12 stiches in his leg...and thought that was a good deal. A few weeks later I had to visit a private hospital, and while I was there I asked a few docs/nurses/admin staff how much I would pay for 10-12 stiches in the leg. About $175-200.
Personally, I once went to the emergency room because I was feeling very sick and unusual. They took my personal details, and told me to wait. I waited for 2-3 hours and then I left, because nothing was moving around there, only one other person was admitted in that time, and the room was full of people. I figured I could return tomorrow morning and the same people would still be there. I somehow got better and didn't need anything from them. They later sent me a bill for no less than $50,000 for an ER visit ... in which they made me wait for NOTHING. So I had to pay to wait for nothing. I actually didn't pay, because we hired a lawyer to argue with them, not that that is much cheaper.
 
Old 09-07-2011, 09:55 AM   #39
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They later sent me a bill for no less than $50,000 for an ER visit ... in which they made me wait for NOTHING. So I had to pay to wait for nothing. .
You kidding me? :0
Is this the same practice in medical field over there?
 
Old 09-07-2011, 10:18 AM   #40
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Yeah, this happened in Texas. They do nothing for you and then they rip you off. I shouldn't even mention how many bad doctors I have met while trying to solve a problem that I had. Only an old wise neurologist gave me the right answer that was the solution. It was a simple solution, which is to jog daily. Somehow it worked exactly as he said it would, it was because he said he had experienced it himself when he was younger only even worse symptoms. He wasn't about to die in a bed so he decided to jog. He felt terrible at first, but then everything improved and the problems disappeared. I cannot explain why it worked and neither can he. However, I am very grateful for his advice. If only there were more doctors like him. He didn't even charge me for the consultation, even tho I would have paid anything for the solution.
 
Old 09-07-2011, 11:51 AM   #41
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They later sent me a bill for no less than $50,000 for an ER visit ...
(o_O)'. In some countries you can buy an apartment for that amount of money. Or a car. New decent car, not a "bucket of bolts"
 
Old 09-07-2011, 12:15 PM   #42
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By golly! That's some daylight Robbery.

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he had experienced it himself when he was younger only even worse symptoms. He wasn't about to die in a bed so he decided to jog. He felt terrible at first, but then everything improved and the problems disappeared. I cannot explain why it worked and neither can he. However, on, even tho I would have paid anything for the solution.
I myself find jogging / running / brisk walking the cure of many daily fitness problems as I suggested Anisha, being a kick boxer I can vouch on that.
 
Old 09-07-2011, 12:40 PM   #43
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(o_O)'. In some countries you can buy an apartment for that amount of money. Or a car. New decent car, not a "bucket of bolts"
In the US, that'd buy a pair of Ford Mustangs.
 
Old 09-08-2011, 04:57 AM   #44
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Yeah, and how much for the insurance?
The person I was talking to online in the US was uninsured. When I asked the hospital here it I asked for pricing as though I was uninsured, just walking in from the street.

What shocked me the most was not the pirce, but that he was sure he'd got a very good deal. Maybe I was wrong and he did get a decent price. $50K for a emergency room visit that never happened H_TeXMeX_H? I'm....speechless.

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There are a number of studies out there that show that the US pays far more on healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and for results that aren't any better than anyone else's.
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php
http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/OECD042111.cfm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...of-world-obama
Interesting links, thanks.

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(o_O)'. In some countries you can buy an apartment for that amount of money. Or a car. New decent car, not a "bucket of bolts"
You could get a house here for that, if you dont mind living in the middle of nowhere.

I dont think you could find any country on earth where you couldnt buy a decent car for $50K US. The only possible debate would be over what you call 'decent'.
 
Old 09-08-2011, 06:46 PM   #45
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If you go to an Acupuncture Specialist they can tell you which of your organs are malfunctioning just by looking in your eyes. Please do not waste your time and money going to doctors who know nothing of Chakras and energy flow.
 
  


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