The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix No, sir, please go back here and read again my first short reply to you, including my quote and the source I have linked. Then please go here, and read again what you have replied to me. I haven't been talking about any gods to you. You have been to me, avoiding my questions. As others here, before you wished me a one-way trip to hell, I was trying to help you fix some serious, persisting misconceptions of yours, about things that are not directly related to any god or religion whatsoever, but are related to knowledge, and to the most reliable method to achieve it.

. However, what would scientific theories be about, if they were not based on something?

what is any theory about? an Idea based on some idea that someone came up with. To try and either figure out the why or try to explain the why behind the question.

You must think me stupid, gullible, or easily confused. Perhaps projection is the reason, and that is just a theory as it is defined.

if it is not a theory then the word would not be in the term, the basic definition of theory is an idea that has not been proven true.

regardless if truths lay within this same theory it is still a theory, an un truth in it completeness. If any thing it is a half truth only because it is not a complete truth as far a science goes.

I will not bend to that fact, a theory is something that is has not been proven a truth,

like math is not a theory.

1+1=2
if we called 1 something else then to add it to itself again, it would still double the original amount no matter what we called it to signify its amount. therefore Math is not a theory, it can be as it is called an exact science. then their is an argument that math is not a science it is only used within science. etc.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix You should be able to believe in your god without having to turn science into a strawman, for instance, or to beat semantics to death just because you don't like the tools people are using everyday to make Homo sapiens sapiens worthy of its name, at least a little bit. That's simply not the way things work.

a strawman? I do not get that idea.

in who mind or by whom rule?

make humans / or Homo sapiens sapiens. We are a creation on to itself, we did not evolve out of the water, or come from any other species.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix If you have to do that, then your faith is probably weak. Then who's the fearful one?

When science tries to explain God away, then it is not my faith that is weak, it is the one that is using science that is weak and in fear that he maybe wrong about what he believes so he uses science to try and explain God away, so why would I fear a lie?

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix You might say the same about me of course: that I come here and try to take your faith away from you. This is not exact, as I literally don't know what you are talking about. However, I can accept your faith as long as you accept that this is the XXI century, with all its implications. Can you do that?

what does the state of this world today have to do with my faith?

It is because of the lack of in God, and the misuse of faith that this world is in the state it is in.

you accepting my faith all hinders on me accepting that little blur you stated?

You have faith of your own, if you used it properly you would not be telling me what you have.

Oh man, what was I thinking? You obviously can't.

Originally Posted by oskar I'm just curious about the gross distribution of faith or non-faith on a forum like this. I wasn't quite sure how to divide the list. This could easily grow out of proportion, so I decided to put the 'firm believer' on top. Whether it's Polytheism, Monotheism, or some kind of New Age thing. I know some of you don't like to be mashed together, but it is more about the state of mind than the actual religion that I'm interested in. My thread, my rules

Originally Posted by BW-userx atheist: they say they do not believe in God, that it is all just a fairy tail. some say it was a made up story to try and control people. that when one dies nothing is all that is waiting for them, they live, die and rot in a hole. therefore what does it matter what a anyone believes in, if that is all that is waiting for man after his death? It matters not what anyone believes in. Therefore a belief system. just one of the somethings that everyone that is born has a with a need to have is then rendered useless. the need for truth is too useless, because death is all that is left in the end. So, again it no longer matters what the truth is. Where mankind came from, if it be by a God, or not. Which according them that say there is no God. They still worry about where they came from. who cares?!?!?! if death is all that is to be had in the end. the begining of live has no meaning. nothing has any meaning any longer because everything one does just comes to an end in the end anyways, and everything that he or she did no longer really matters, it is all vanity. So why do atheist come in to where the Religious resided to scoff and try to make fun of something just because they do not believe the same as them? why is it that they try so hard to make others believe what they believe. To try and make others think like them. what are they afraid of? They have nothing to look forward to, but death. It must be a hard belief for them to sallow. Yet, misery does love company.

You're freaking out man, took too much LSD in past lifetimes, let me talk you down from digging those graves!?.

Time to grow up now children Santa Claus isn't real and you're going to die. Why in Hawaii would that stop you wanting to live—evolving! Keep it simple and just look at the past 200 years!!!

Can't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, don't turn kids into fish, poof!

^ BW's at it again

Originally Posted by cynwulf Regarding the second commandment, it does seem that most religions are idolatrous and those which are not to start with, do eventually water things down, practice some revisionism and succumb to idolatry eventually. Simply because a practically empty and bland church with basic seating and a simple cross is not as awe inspiring and captivating as all the ornamentation, statues, idols and finery of your typical Catholic or Orthodox churches or cathedrals. ...

Yes, "blind faith" can be very difficult to sustain, particularly if that "faith" is based on misconceptions to begin with. Particularly when it relies on "just believing", "just take someone's word for it". So I tend to agree with you there. I think some very conveniently forget that one doesn't have to be a "Christian" or even believe in a particular "religion" to believe there is something beyond this life (and/or a "god" of some kind), that there could and/or is an "afterlife" - let alone have to go to any particular place to "believe". I think the "spiritual world" likely does exist, but in what form, how it works, is anyone's guess. I don't see how someone still living in this world could have any hope of understanding it though. And it would very difficult for someone living in the "next world", who has "died" in this one to tell anyone in this one about it.

Army recruiters and preachers are always hitting up kids around here...

If seances were real all they'd ever say is stop being idiots.

Yeah, I've had people knock on my front door trying to preach to me, they even wanted to come into my place to do it. I even got a "love letter" in my mailbox with a bunch verses from the Bible too. I like my neighbours response, absolute classic; "you hear about what this "Jesus" has done now (yelling it out), etc, etc". They ended up walking off...

My cousin loved having them in and his sole purpose to convince them that "god" was an alien but he also loved shooting at the Moon...

I just tell them that their atheist but not as good as me, they don't believe in all the other gods, I don't believe in there's as well!

Last time they had a little kid and pamphlets with them, they never came back. When I see the pamphlets laying around the city, looking like litter, I always toss them out! ;P

"We"* stomp out kids wanting to learn tho we wouldn't need educational recruiters because we naturally want to learn...

No wonder they need so many recruiters, what grown up - self thinking person whould sign up for such BS not slathered in gravy!

Had an "English" teacher tell me one time, you never use an! LOL

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix Oh man, what was I thinking? You obviously can't.

It is not that I can't, I won't.

Just like, its not that you can't believe in God, it is that you won't believe in God.

yeah just give in to your way of thinking, so I can be like you.

Go to living a life of death. just live, do whatever, die and rot in a hold way of thinking and living.

I'd hardly think that is a smart thing to do.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e My cousin loved having them in and his sole purpose to convince them that "god" was an alien but he also loved shooting at the Moon... ...

So god's giving the anal probes... it was an "godly experience" Does Jesus hold em down'

Y believe in goD,,,,,,,, it is godS!!!!!!z!!!!z!!!!!!!!!!!!z!


Y so many godz &see!

Kill them all let me sort them out!

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Kill them all let me sort them out!

Death got locked up for drink driving!

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 ^ BW's at it again all Yes, "blind faith" can be very difficult to sustain, particularly if that "faith" is based on misconceptions to begin with. Particularly when it relies on "just believing", "just take someone's word for it".

that is the thing, I do not take someones word for it, especially not in today's world for sure. so it is not really blind faith as in as much as it is knowing my Bible, and what Jesus said in how to live my life, not someones else interpretation of what the bible says. because all Protest-ants pervert it, and use it for there own self-serving wants, and needs to feed their egos, which in turn causes them to mislead others into believing what they 'preach' to them as a truth, and not what Jesus actually said, in all of what he said.

It is not a pick and choose what one will and will not do out of all of what Jesus said, it is a all or nothing way of living, and it takes time to learn oneself everything that is to be done in order to live that way.

It is not an over night, or an instantaneous moment of salvation. As some Protest-ants preach, just sign here saying you take Jesus as your own personal savior, this is a instant gratification ploy to get others to have this false sense of security. It actually prevents that individual from taking what he or she is suppose to be doing any further.

They no longer have any reasons to do so, as far as they know they are now saved, and therefore nothing else is required of them. this is a lie. Protest-ants only preach misguided lies and outright lies.

this is what most talk about when referring to Christianity what a Protest-ant said about it. even what they said about Catholics to try and prevent the ones they have in there hands from looking over there and actually finding out that is where they are suppose to be.

so the Protest-ant preacher lie to them to try and keep them in a state of false security. In doing so some protest-ant preachers even lie to themselves unknowingly, other one know exactly what they are doing.

It is a basic simple process. if you tell a lie, you are not only lying to someone else but you are lying to yourself as well. that is a two for one. It effects the psyche just as much by reinforcing this lie within the self as well.


... on and on it goes.. there is more to Christianity then just saying I believe in God, and Jesus. there is more to Christianity then what some might call, blind faith.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 So I tend to agree with you there. I think some very conveniently forget that one doesn't have to be a "Christian" or even believe in a particular "religion" to believe there is something beyond this life (and/or a "god" of some kind), that there could and/or is an "afterlife" - let alone have to go to any particular place to "believe". I think the "spiritual world" likely does exist, but in what form, how it works, is anyone's guess. I don't see how someone still living in this world could have any hope of understanding it though. And it would very difficult for someone living in the "next world", who has "died" in this one to tell anyone in this one about it.

look at what you are saying, "I think the "spiritual world" likely does exist, but in what form..."

why did you add but in what form, you already stated it in the first part, spiritual. that is the form that it exist in.

it is within a different reality, that being a spiritual reality.

, how it works, is anyone's guess."
No it is not.

As Jesus said, heaven is all around you. For what its worth, in speaking of a spiritual world, then you have to believe in ghost as well. It is just a spiritual being, a soul of a person that is for whatever able to manifest itself to an extent to be able to interact within this reality. Why it has not went into Heaven, or Hell is beyond me, if Heaven is all around us, and Angles, which too are spiritual beings, they too are all around us. One cannot see them because of the reality they live in, yet if having a supernatural powers, that being something beyond what man has the capable to do on his own, then they are able to manifest themselves in a human form as well.


But this part of it, is really noting worth bothering to try and figure out if it cause one to put aside what it is that God is wanting us to do. All He asks, yes asks, because God is not a control freak, He allows freewill, It is up to the individual to come to Him and in doing so accept Him and His teaching given out by Jesus.

In Obeying them, This is all He ask His creation to do. In reward for ones obedience is a part of the inherence of that Jesus got for doing the same thing.

Some do not like the word Obedience, they may even say, No on can tell me what to do, I do what ever I want, forgetting they are still being obedience to someone else in all of what they were told in how to live their lives when they where growing up and even to that day they say I am my own man, I obey no one, they still obey others.

They have to, else theirs lives will be filled with chaos. laws are what man makes to have them and others obey. therefore to say I am a freeman I obey no one, but myself. is just someone lying to themselves. which in turn causes them to error.

this is left as an open thought, because as stated before there is more to Christianity the what Protest-ants says there is.

it is not an instantaneous salvation, just by saying the "magic words" they the Protest-ants preach, or by just signing a piece of paper some Protest-ants preach... they are Protesting, so they to are given to slander that in which they are protesting against.

Just like, no one is born into this world, goes to school and graduates knowing everything they need to know to get a job and support themselves, and dress themselves and feed themselves all in a second. It takes more than one day, it is a process.