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Imagination is cool\fun* but most fairy tails will either hold us back or simply never serve their purpose,,, unless hidden.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Imagination is cool\fun* but most fairy tails will either hold us back or simply never serve their purpose,,, unless hidden.

What imagination? I speak from my own real life experiences not other POV. Third eye with chakra theme is real deal(but i haven't experienced its visual side just vibes), just observe any newborn, i was some recent time ago newborn and remember difference very well, and so does mysteries of world exist aswell like Atlantis and Sirus etc.. My country is not rich but nature friendly so we have to either work hard in jobs or move elsewhere to earn higher salary and result is precisely what is described on internet : the more stressfull the everyday routine is, and EU is very stressfull, the less happy people become cause of this third eye blocking environment..theory about Gaia therefore is correct afterall but if Gaia is real then Deity aswell exist somewhere.

Sorry Arcane, but jumping to a conclusion isn't even a step removed from imagination because one observes an event a few times and imagines the cause. That, of course is in direct opposition to actual logging and testing multiple instances and finding the actual mechanism involved. FWIW most animals, including Homo Sapiens, do not have a "third eye" to be open or blocked, let alone cause psychological effects. Stress is quite well understood since it occurs in essentially all lifeforms with a nervous system. Sress can be either physical or mental in source but ultimately such events occur electro-chemically in brains. It is the perception of less than ideal circumstances and can escalate or de-escalate depending on how we learn to handle stress..

There is also zero evidence that chakras exist. They are interesting as a somewhat intuitive and imaginative way to describe how our nervous systems work but it is much like the theory of "Phlogiston". Phlogiston is a name made up to describe an invisible substance thought to be contained in many substances which had varying degrees of ability to absorb or lose phlogiston, commonly during combustion. In short, it was a theory of how fire works proposed around 1670. It did explain many events which is why that theory lasted for a good 100 years, but one basic premise of scientific theory is that we constantly attempt to falsify theory and only when failing that is it assumed to have any value. Because phlogiston was supposedly released when things burn to explain why many materials lose mass when burned, once it was discovered that some metals gain mass when burned, the beginning of the end was near. Once Oxygen was discovered and began to be understood on a molecular level and we began to realize that fire was basically just rapid oxidation, Phlogiston Theory was doomed. It did hang on for almost another 100 years but as technology advanced making it possible to test more carefully and deeply, it became obvious that Phlogiston was just an imagined mechanism with no substance. The same is true of Chakras. It's interesting but ultimately merely quaint.

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}There is also zero evidence that chakras exist.{...}

This sentence shows you are joking. Our own bodies aren't proof enough for you? What is next? We do not breath but some other activity? We do not have bones and flesh and other stuff that makes us human? Look i dunno about you but i never could lift even 100kg with one or both hands without fatigue or assistance with technology or other people so do not start to brainwash me humanity does not exist in same form as BC so AC.

I speak from my own real life experience that fit description of chakra system. There is something kept hidden as jamison suggested. Doesn't matter why. Read my link in signature then explain to me why our bodies are not valid evidence. It is much easier to discuss if God and Satan is fiction than our own body specifics. You can maybe convince me that they not exist but chakras are real. Therefore creation did happen.

And if God or Devil does not exist why there are so much materials on internet about both God and Devil and other supernatural wikia material and how they wage invisible war on each other to do business of gathering "souls" or team members and such for some event in not so far future? If they both do not exist then humanity is free to do whatever yet cannot. So there is some force that guides us and watch over us. Be it Aliens or whatever but is. As i already wrote : there has to be higher power of some kind but for some (valid) reason it is kept away from us.

This planet did not come out of nowhere..and if it did aliens also exist because same reasoning. If people believe Earth complexity can happen by accident over time then other planets with life on them also happened by accident over time.

... and if it did aliens also exist because same reasoning. If people believe Earth complexity can happen by accident over time then other planets with life on them also happened by accident over time.

our mimds won't last infinity but that thinking will?!.

Wonder how many have died since I asked the dead or dying to let us know... the living just need a sucker for that belief.

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Originally Posted by enorbet View Post
{...}There is also zero evidence that chakras exist.{...}

Arcane replied....

Originally Posted by Arcane This sentence shows you are joking. Our own bodies aren't proof enough for you? What is next? We do not breath but some other activity? We do not have bones and flesh and other stuff that makes us human?

Lungs and their operation are observable and measurable as are the absorption of oxygen in the blood they facilitate as well as the exhale removal process. That goes back MUCH further with bones and flesh. No chakra has ever been observed or measured. The effects/events they attempt to explain do obviously exist but since the invention of the term "chakra" (which btw is disagreed upon even as to how many there are... 5, 6 or 7) over 1500 years ago when there was no technology like microscopes, XRay machines, various scanners like PET, CAT and MRI, "Chakras" are entirely intuitive and had/have zero actual evidence and none have ever been detected by anything other than human imagination. They are an absolutely groundless assumption.

Originally Posted by Arcane Look i dunno about you but i never could lift even 100kg with one or both hands without fatigue or assistance with technology or other people so do not start to brainwash me humanity does not exist in same form as BC so AC. I speak from my own real life experience that fit description of chakra system. There is something kept hidden as jamison suggested. Doesn't matter why. Read my link in signature then explain to me why our bodies are not valid evidence. It is much easier to discuss if God and Satan is fiction than our own body specifics. You can maybe convince me that they not exist but chakras are real. Therefore creation did happen. And if God or Devil does not exist why there are so much materials on internet about both God and Devil and other supernatural wikia material and how they wage invisible war on each other to do business of gathering "souls" or team members and such for some event in not so far future? If they both do not exist then humanity is free to do whatever yet cannot. So there is some force that guides us and watch over us. Be it Aliens or whatever but is. As i already wrote : there has to be higher power of some kind but for some (valid) reason it is kept away from us. This planet did not come out of nowhere..and if it did aliens also exist because same reasoning. If people believe Earth complexity can happen by accident over time then other planets with life on them also happened by accident over time.

I really can't speak to the rest of this in any meaningful way to you, Arcane, since for all I can imagine you may even believe that Superman and Batman, not to mention Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, exist since so much has been written about and of their "adventures". Your sense of Logic and Rules of Evidence are not as strict as mine, for better or for worse. You are apparently a Mystic, while I am a Scientist.... Oil and Water. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e our mimds won't last infinity but that thinking will?!.

LOL. Watch this video. Why do any of us alive think we are at TOP of evolution ladder now anyway? Can any really claim we have learned everything there is to be learned? That there is nothing hidden from us anymore or to be learned further in future? There is quote that applies to modern times aswell:

Show technology to yesterdays people they will consider it magic, but show magic to todays people they will consider it technology.

I notice hypocrisy in this debate. People write to be open minded, to reject born into religion teachings yet ignore same works for science teachings.

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}Your sense of Logic and Rules of Evidence are not as strict as mine, for better or for worse. You are apparently a Mystic, while I am a Scientist.... Oil and Water. Good luck with that.

LOL. Real scientific knowledge comes from combining what we do know with what we do not know. This is problem with arguing with people here. They think Science and Religion are counterparts to each other. If you were real scientist you would pay attention that Mystic stuff with Scientific stuff are combo mix like Yin-Yang symbol.

Outside of card games, teenage dreams and like all of us warped Minds, but some more subjective to silliness: magic doesn't exist! (Sorry. )

...magical thinking does, just don't let it wander off in all directionS

Libraries are broken down into name a few: facts, fictions, religionss, kids religionss •●• enough said.

@ Arcane

Originally Posted by Arcane Show technology to yesterdays people they will consider it magic, but show magic to todays people they will consider it technology.

This is an ill-defined statement since it does not define an elusive term, mainly "magic". What is "magic"? Is it like the usage of "majik" in ancient times where the writing of inscriptions, actions on symbolic figures, preparations of potions, or the mere speaking of majikal words had the power to conjure, maim, kill or curse? Is it the modern illusions of levitation or pulling a rabbit out of a hat? The point is there is no magic of that kind. The only sort of magic I know of to actually exist is purely a matter of perspective and perception, a wonderment at things barely understood or particularly unusual. The birth of my Son seemed rather magical as did standing in a field at night with him and viewing Hale-Bopp comet, but those events are pretty well understood. They just feel a bit overwhelming. I can't imagine witnessing any real manifestation of magic, nor considering it to be technology and the only reason primitives view technology as magic is because they haven't science but believe in the existence of magic.

This one ...

Originally Posted by Arcane I notice hypocrisy in this debate. People write to be open minded, to reject born into religion teachings yet ignore same works for science teachings.

... is only seen as hypocrisy if your definition of "open mind" is "consider and accept any possibility, indeed any imagined possibility, and give all equal weight". That is not an open mind. That is an indiscriminate cluttered mind incapable of critical thinking.

I'm quite certain you would change your standards of "open mind" if courts of law allowed you to be prosecuted for murder because someone dreamed you did it.

This statement ...

Originally Posted by Arcane LOL. Real scientific knowledge comes from combining what we do know with what we do not know. This is problem with arguing with people here. They think Science and Religion are counterparts to each other. If you were real scientist you would pay attention that Mystic stuff with Scientific stuff are combo mix like Yin-Yang symbol.

... is merely fanciful and inaccurate. It is not possible to combine what we know with what we don't know by definition. If we don't know in the absolute sense that requires not even knowing there is something we don't know. It should be obvious we can't combine something of which we are not even aware of it's existence. In the relative sense, it is not yet understanding what we barely know, like Gravity especially in the Quantum World. In Mathematics an equation will not work if we leave out a factor because we don't even realize the equation needs one. For relatively unknown integers, usually written as "x" we are aware of the interworkings of relationsships and so can derive a conclusion from those necessary relationships. Mystic stuff is either fabricated speculation or misrepresentation and has zero place in Science. That you imagine it does is why you accept any writing, popular movie or youtube video as a description of reality, while Logic demands proof.

I love poetry but this one by Edgar Alan Poe I find to be the sad, wistful longings for "a better world" by making fanciful dreams come true. I find him incapable of comprehending that it is better to pursue reality to seek dreams that can actually be realized like a reasonably fair economic system, efficient and affordable health care, exceptional mobility and access to knowledge, etc. However I also realize the conditions under which Mr. Poe lived created that compulsion for dreams since he had right opinion it would not be realized in his lifetime.

Originally Posted by Edgar Alan Poe - Sonnet to Science Science! true daughter of Old Time thou art! Who alterest all things with thy peering eyes. Why preyest thou thus upon the poet’s heart, Vulture, whose wings are dull realities? How should he love thee? or how deem thee wise, Who wouldst not leave him in his wandering To seek for treasure in the jewelled skies, Albeit he soared with an undaunted wing? Hast thou not dragged Diana from her car, And driven the Hamadryad from the wood To seek a shelter in some happier star? Hast thou not torn the Naiad from her flood, The Elfin from the green grass, and from me The summer dream beneath the tamarind tree?

This is an example of what defines Poe as a tragic poet and what drove him to a life of drugs, drink, and disease. I feel deeply for him and fully comprehend the frustration of the realities of human existence and the need for "psychological escape" but I would not choose to live like him. Maybe I would if I viewed existence as hopeless, and admittedly there have been such moments, but thankfully they didn't last.

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}I really can't speak to the rest of this in any meaningful way to you, Arcane, since for all I can imagine you may even believe that Superman and Batman, not to mention Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, exist since so much has been written about and of their "adventures".{...}

LOL what argument. Unlike comic book characters and holy book characters my body does exist 24/7 and is available to me, so does yours. Can meet me or i can meet you in real life any day to proove this. Your logic is actually one lacking reason. Chakra articles are from category of stuff that we do have access to everyday.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Outside of card games, teenage dreams and like all of us warped Minds, but some more subjective to silliness: magic doesn't exist! (Sorry. ){...}

Sorry for what? For not being taken seriously while being honest? And how come after 'sorry' is emotion of tongue? Did you plan this comment before? How come doublesided games are being played?

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}This is an ill-defined statement since it does not define an elusive term, mainly "magic". What is "magic"?{...}

Long story short. Something like in these videos. Imagine if from future someone went into past and to today people introduce something they not know yet or from today someone went into medieval times to show present items, they would go on witch hunt. We would also consider them nuts. We do not live in medieval times because we have outlived it but we are more advanced cause our ancestors have experienced it and went through change.

The bible is the story of a very, very incompetent supreme being. He made so many mistakes in his perfect creation that he had to kill everyone on it.. and then did it again.

Makes 2 humans and puts them in a garden of eden, but places them right next to the thing that will screw all that up and does nothing to prevent it, then blames them and all their progeny for all time for something thats his fault.

Makes a magic rule book thats so vague and open to interpretation that there are now 30,000 sects of christianity alone all of which disagree with each other. And he allows many other holy books and does not give any of us a clue as to which one are right and which ones are wrong, proceeds to let us kill each other by the millions over it. He has the power to appear at any time to stop all the killing, chooses not to.

Claims to be supreme being, but still has needs (to be worshiped), desires (to have a son) and failings (he is angry and jealous quite often).

Claims he gave us free will, then gives us a list of rules we must follow or else he will torture us forever... which goes completely against the notion of us having free will (you have free will but you must do as I say) and proving that he has no morality at all since he is offering infinite punishment for finite crimes. And his own morality is lower than the morality of secular society, which is weird since you'd think an all knowing all seeing supreme being would have known that slavery was immoral even thousands of years ago. maybe he could have even put that in his list of commandments, instead of say 'thou shalt have no other gods before me'?

Goes through an elaborate scheme of self sacrifice to change rules that he could have changed at any time without the torture and sacrifice of himself. And again why would a supreme being come up with rules so flawed in the first place that they needed to be changed after the fact?

First you have to prove gods are real, then you have to prove its your god.

Many things not provable - make money*...

@Okie +1 For this reason i always(even my first comment in this thread is still valid) get at least 1 % doubt when considering holy books(why would we be created to live but then to die? do hard work, earn everything then boom someone comes and takes it without approval and explanation. it reminds of occupation, slavery and tyrany. everyone else will do the hard work while royalty will eat, have fun, sleep and use wc) but not even 1% doubt reading chakra quotes(they make valid user manual points for life, any normal loving caring Creator would keep things easy to understand to creation and not threaten with hell or heaven for taking even 1 step in wrong direction but treat as kids compared to adults until mature).

Ascension is not the process of dropping your physical vehicle and leaving this physical realm in search for a better reality but the process of “getting in here” being fully in~bodied and alive, joyfully living and sharing this joy with others in turn assisting them to remembering who they truly are.”

If gut feeling is what matters in combo with brain iq then i agree with Ascension theory because unlike confused holy books it makes 100% sense..unless we are deceived and holy books are valid but then it is not my fault for believing in what resonates with me and religion requires study but if Creator exist then would make user manual simple like with Gaia articles. Holy books have one problem : they are not written in child friendly text but humans are not genius by default. Gaia articles are. So..if allknowing being would know that over time people would ask questions, also would not test in 101 ways cause would already know what is inside everyones brains and hearts..then only thing that is simple is 10 commandments. Everything else is rocket science type. I guess in life simple things matter more cause they are child friendly and children are more connected to truth. Less brainwashed by mainstream society. Even Hollywood agrees that humanity is more than flesh and blood(just unaware of it) and they know stuff cause Illuminati..

History shows how things changed: not just the religions, everything.


Are we still useing the leaf of the gods to trip out, seeing things only "gods" can show us? ^_^