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This discussion is getting WAYover my heard and poor brain to understand. All I know is what I believe to be TRUE and HOLY.
All this other stuff is like taking a Texas Aggie bath, (Go piss-in-the-wind) The only ones I have to worry with is my [I]soul[I] and that of my family.
This discussion is getting WAYover my heard and poor brain to understand. All I know is what I believe to be TRUE and HOLY.
All this other stuff is like taking a Texas Aggie bath, (Go piss-in-the-wind) The only ones I have to worry with is my [I]soul[I] and that of my family.
C' Ya!
Warmest Regard,
Buck/KA5LQJ
Technically, you're the one taking the Aggie bath, because there's no soul to waste time worrying over. Enjoy.
Just remember, Opinions are like AH's, everybody has at least one. You're certainly entitled to yours as I am entitled to mine. And now you know the REST of the Story, Good Day!
Last edited by BuckNekkid; 09-09-2011 at 12:21 AM.
Just remember, Opinions are like AH's, everybody has at least one. You're certainly entitled to yours as I am entitled to mine. And now you know the REST of the Story, Good Day!
But we're not asserting an opinion, we're talking about what the evidence can tell us. Much of this thread is about what can and cannot be known based on evidence and facts. God and souls cannot be known. (And there are centuries of writings exploring what exactly knowledge is, with some disagreement. What is agreed is that revelation does not constitute knowledge for reasons we don't need to get into to here.) You are certainly entitled to your opinion that God exists and most if not all of us would fight for your right to believe that. The problem is when people try to insert their religious opinions (which are usually claimed to be empirical fact - God exists and commands this or that) into areas that require actual fact based decision making, ie, public policy, what to teach in schools, etc, especially when those religious opinions stand in direct contradiction of fact, such as with evolution.
Let me add again, as mentioned above with Communist Russia, religion is not unique is being antagonistic to reality and free inquiry. I am equally opposed to anything or anyone that tries to decide what is true through legislative fiat, arguments from authority, or pseudoscience, be it Lysenkoism in Communist Russia, postmodernism, Freudian psychology, alternative medicine, or religious ideology.
Just remember, Opinions are like AH's, everybody has at least one. You're certainly entitled to yours as I am entitled to mine. And now you know the REST of the Story, Good Day!
The non-existence of the soul is not an opinion. It's a fact.
My belief that you're a troll is an opinion, though it's one based on some pretty terrible posting content.
Another interesting fact about religion is that Bible image and description of God comes very close to image of Greek mythology of Zeus(no wonder many people say Bible and some more "holy books" is rewritten ancient mythology) and Zeus also fits with Egypt mythology about Ra and story about Isis that used Snake to get information from Ra..it can't be another coinsidence that many religions seem to show similarities with other religions and especially with ancient Greek & Egypt & maybe even Roman mythology. Also while surfing the web found this video which i suggest to everyone - the point of video is not that God is explained but that we have option to choose how we will live without fear of death or hell or people in charge. This is why i can't understand logic in religion - if God exists and God loves us then Hell shouldn't even exist because Hell is extremely stupid and overkilled consequence of few mistakes in life and even to some hardcore killer who kills many people. Also automatic heaven is lame because then you are loosing your potential as living being. Not to mention similar negativity from atheism..
The non-existence of the soul is not an opinion. It's a fact.
So? You are asserting that the soul does not have physical existence, which is exactly how it has been defined for thousands of years. I guess you are now going to prove to all the world that circles are round?
The non-existence of the soul is not an opinion. It's a fact.
A "soul" that survives the death of the body or can live in some way apart from it -- no, there is none.
God's sentence for Adam was very clear (Gen 3:19):
Quote:
In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Does it say a "soul" would survive Adam's "returning to dust"?
Just as Adam earlier "came to be a living soul"(Gen 2:7) when God gave him "the breath of life", so he ceased to be a "living soul" when he later "returned to dust from which he was taken".
The meaning of "soul" as a breathing live thing is consistently used through the Bible (Gen 1:20,21,24). At other times "soul" means just "life" (Gen 9:4). But never a spiritual thing that exists independently of the body.
Please list down the citations here to support the said fact.
You'd have to define what the heck a soul is before you could refute it. As we have seen from the disagreement over whether the "soul" is immaterial, the term suffers from vague, ill-defined, and incoherent definitions. What most people seem to mean is some little homunculus like essence of themselves, independent of the brain and body, or an élan vital that animates life. In either case, it's a rehash of discredited ideas like vitalism and dualism. There isn't a shred of evidence for either.
You'd have to define what the heck a soul is before you could refute it. As we have seen from the disagreement over whether the "soul" is immaterial, the term suffers from vague, ill-defined, and incoherent definitions. What most people seem to mean is some little homunculus like essence of themselves, independent of the brain and body, or an élan vital that animates life. In either case, it's a rehash of discredited ideas like vitalism and dualism. There isn't a shred of evidence for either.
There no scientific evidence against a 'soul' either AFAIK.
Tying the concept to dualism doesnt make it any less (or more) likely. BTW, since this is a 'religious' thread it would have been a good idea to say 'dualism' (philosophy) to specerate the idea from all the over 'dualisms'.
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