I'm trying to use the same editor I use for all (casually the UNIX vi editor),
in which way that means a "rebellion"?

If you have problems to read it with your iPhone fill a bug to phpBB or
whatever this forum's interface is (using CSS and regex in php is trivial to
solve the issue). That's what any rational person would do instead of calling
me stupid like AlienBob did time ago. Of course Windows-like users assume even
interfaces can impose its way on users.

One needs a certain level of knowledge to be able to realize how many things he/she doesn't know. Under that level he/she "knows" everything.

Sharing the things I play with doesn't make me a contributor and I am certainly not a contributor wannabe. This is a forum about Slackware. I think it's the right place to talk about Slackware (and Linux in general). Flooding this forum with our personal history and frustrations doesn't make sense to me.

Oh boy

You might want to try the following settings before posting here:
Or better, use the appropriate tool (a web browser) to post in this forum.

cheers,

Niki

How do you post here without using a web browser?

You told me exactly the same the first time I was suspended in this
forum when I was victim of trolling just for defending the same I'm
defending now, the KISS approach. Using vim with that settings and not
using it is exactly the same. Again you're a Windows-like user and
judge all from that perspective (i.e. what software must be included in
Slackware). Open your web browser in a Slackware desktop machine and
you'll have no problems to read my text. You're trying to force your
way on me, not the opposite. If I react I'm the bad ass. You prefer to
watch TV to read my posts anyway, so what's the problem :-).

About your howto. My wife has given classes in lot of (high) schools.
I've visited some of them to help her installing this or that. I admit
that LANs on schools are chaotic. The solution adopted in general is
they don't let students to save preferences. In some cases they have a
folder in a file server but in some curses students save their work in
pen drives. Even in some cases they have the whole LAN with frozen XPs
for obvious reasons, even the teacher's one! So when you restart the
machine you lose your work.

That's reality at least here in Barcelona. But I'm not experienced
enough to say to which extent you're doing the right thing or just
complicating your life yourself.

Anyway, the point I don't agree with your approach (and ivandi's) is the
ethical dilemma. Of course you cannot re-educate (they have been
educated by Microsoft) hundred of students in the way they use the
computer or explain them to what extent adding some feature complicates
the whole environment. But to say that an umbrella without a web cam is
an *obsolete* umbrella and blame its manufacturer just because everybody
has a web cam in its umbrella is to stray from the truth. Let's
separate levels of abstraction.

You're taking conclusions and judging what you don't understand. Anyway I
don't take this like an insult because all of us make that mistake to some
extent. ;-)

Oh my !

My neighbor's son usually parks his scooter next to my 750 BMW and lets me know that he's driving a bike too.

This is not a bug with the BB software -- linebreaks are represented literally so people can format their posts into paragraphs without needing to use BB code. This is intentional. It is also not a bug for a client to display linebreaks (<br/>) as linebreaks since that is exactly what is supposed to happen everywhere on the internet. There is no way to 'solve' the issue; this is simply how discussion forums (and HTML pages) work.
No, YOU are forcing YOUR way on others, because the only way they can properly read these posts is on a desktop machine because constant linebreaks mess up the display on smaller screens. This is not a limitation of their software but of the ability to display text of a readable size on small displays. Posting without fixed-width lines and instead using linebreaks to indicate paragraph separators (ie. the default activity in any web browser in the world) allows posts to be displayed properly anywhere, with line-wrapping done in a manner appropriate to the size of the display.

Stop pretending you're in the right; either use soft word-wrapping in vim (see here -- the best of both worlds) when drafting forum posts to retain your current abilities while being nice to others, or just admit that you are being inconsiderate and take the flak that you deservedly get. It is no one's fault but your own that you are using a discussion board improperly, yet everyone else has to pay for it.

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So:

• Eloi insists on providing lines of text with a fixed length.
• Others disagree.
• All have stated their opinions and feelings (often more than once) and probably won't change them in a foreseeable future.
• LQ rules are silent about text formatting.

This is what I propose:

• Eloi may continue formatting his posts as he sees fit.
• Anyone may choose to read Eloi's posts or not.
• Let's go back on topic.

How is his position on the matter not an opinion? It obviously isn't a fact that Slackware needs PAM. We've been able to get by this long without it. If it does end up in the system, that is Pat's opinion that it is relevant for enough users to include it. Still, again, not fact... just an opinion. I'm sure there will still be some that don't think it should be included, but those are the opinions of the people who think that.

But everyone doesn't use their computer like you. Does that mean the people that can see benefits on running systemd, PAM, gnome, etc are wrong? No! And you'd be foolish to think that. Just because everyone doesn't have the same ideals as you doesn't mean "everyone would be running windows". How naive are you to actually think that?

I think this right here explains everything about you. You think that other peoples' opinions are junk and don't matter. It's "my way or the highway". If anyone plans to use anything in a method that doesn't please you, then they are wrong. In actuality, everyone is entitled to use Slackware how they please. If some want to run it with PAM and have installed everything for it, great on them. If others have no need for PAM, so they stay at the mercy on whether Pat will include it, then great on them. If others are so against PAM, that if Pat releases a version with it, then they either leave Slackware or recompile things without it so the system can function without it, great on them.

How do you figure? People who don't have a GPS in their car don't automatically lust after another car that does have it. I have GPS in my car and I still tend to use my smartphone for navigation because it stays up-to-date with road changes (new roads, construction, etc) and traffic. Just because another system includes Gnome doesn't mean we all automatically want Gnome on Slackware. Sure, there are some that like Gnome better than other options available, and they have done the work to get Gnome on their version of Slackware. I don't see how you come up with these statements. If anything, I would think you'd say the opposite about the general vocal group of Slackers. There's all sorts of opposition to including new software in Slackware... things like PAM, systemd, wayland, etc. Sure some people would like them, others are very against having them and then there's the middle group that doesn't really care if it doesn't affect them.

And, just so you know, a 72 character limit isn't just a pain to read on mobile phones... I have dual 27" monitors and I have my web browser full screened in one of those monitors. Instead of being able to fill up the whole width of the monitor with text, it uses maybe 1/3 of it. That is a limitation of your writing and is in no way a bug of the forum. You obviously have no consideration for anyone except yourself, and your 227 posts on this forum probably consistently show that (I'll admit, I'm not willing to go and view every single one). I try to be on this forum to help other people (and occasionally, get help myself), not to state my own agendas and tell everyone else they're wrong.

The only thing I'm telling you that you're wrong about is your understanding of other people using Slackware. How you use it, for yourself, is certainly not wrong, even if you replaced half the software or run it with the bare minimum apps. It may make troubleshooting more difficult, but you are certainly free to use Slackware as you wish, as is everyone else on this forum. I hope you can understand that and quit telling people that they are using it wrong (or should be using Windows).

I rather ignore eloi's posts, they are annoying to read and don't add nothing in my life.

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You know, you can get by eating bananas all your life and survive this sort of diet.

Adding PAM would enable the use of some enterprise-class software that cannot be used otherwise.

I'm not saying that some can't benefit from it, I'm just saying that not everyone has a need for it. Me personally? I don't care if it gets added. I have no need for it, but I'm not against it being added for those who can and will benefit from it.