Using Slackware makes me feel like a melomaniac with a rack stuffed with vinyls.

stf92 · 10-25-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brianL

Nope.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/sp.../?q=melomaniac
Audiophile would be a better choice.

Of course "audiophile" is the common choice. Nevertheless, melomaniac exists, period.

fu9ar · 10-26-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

Using Steam in Slackware is dead easy. Since Steam and most of its games are 32-bit binaries, you'll need to install multilib on a 64-bit Slackware, but that is not hard either. Then install the steamclient package and you're set. Join the Slackware community on Steam if you want.

Eric

That *was* easy. Though there seems to be no 32bit version of Catalyst drivers anymore, or the 64 bit version now includes 32 bit compatibility built in. But that's alright because since I installed it, they updated from 14.6 to 14.9 anyway, so...

Welp, there goes my productivity. No really. It took me this long to respond because I was playing stupid video games.

Also, I'm on a metered connection at home, so I'm currently installing it on my laptop so I can download steam games on an external drive. I will never take broadband throughput for granted ever again.

Richard Cranium · 10-26-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

That's besides the question. The main problem can be formulated like this. If you want to configure centralized authentication on Slackware, you're pretty much stuck with NIS/NFS (I wrote a detailed HOWTO about the subject on the Slackware Documentation site). And then, you can try and setup the same thing with LDAP, but this makes you jump through a series of burning loops, and the result is next-to-impossible to maintain.

What's the delta between LDAP-with-PAM and LDAP-without-PAM?

The major PITA that I've seen is:

Building openLDAP with SASL
Building SASL again with LDAP support
Building nss_ldap
Getting all the SSL configuration correct so you aren't sending *bleep* in the clear

All PAM does is add MORE steps to the above list of stuff. What am I missing? Please tell me.

brianL · 10-27-2014, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stf92

Nevertheless, melomaniac exists, period.

Not in English usage. Go and argue with the OED.

eloi · 10-27-2014, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

Note that Pat did not keep PAM out of Slackware for its complexity but because its poor security record.
In the last few years, the situation has changed, there are more PAM implementations than just one, and the recent upheaval with openssl and bash shows that even respected software can take a deep dive.

Eric

If including PAM in Slackwere weren't in your interest surely you'd repeat your "Pat has the last word..." speech instead.

eloi · 10-27-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

I often find myself having a perfect state of ambivalence facing Slackware's conservatism. On the one hand, I can only quote something which I've already stated somewhere else. Something I came across in classical philology (one of the subjects I studied). A marketing specialist living and working about 2.000 years ago - say with a nice office here in Nîmes (called "Nemausus" 2000 years ago), on the Voie Domitienne ("Via Domitia") - would have put an "OLD" sticker on every package he wanted to sell. "OLD" meant something like "proven, solid, reliable", whereas a product with a "NEW" sticker on it would have been suspicious to folks. "NEW" meant first of all "has-to-prove-its-worth".

I don't buy your statements even dressed with petticoats.

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On the other hand, this conservatism has turned out to be a problem on some occasions. Back in 2007, when I first had to install Linux desktop clients on a larger scale, Slackware was one of the rare distributions that still relied on the 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6 like all the other distributions out there. Using the 2.4 kernel meant going without HAL at the time, which meant in turn that automounting removable devices like USB sticks didn't work. This turned out to be a showstopper, and in the end, I opted for the, ahem, less conservative CentOS 5.0.

The first thing I did when HAL was in use was to remove it. More late
developers *forced* me to add an entry in xorg.conf.

eloi · 10-27-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ivandi

But...

I want to use a fingerprint scanner? Oh no it needs PAM and Bob said it was evil.
A smart card then? PAM again.
Could I connect my Slackware laptop to my workplace network. Oh no. It is a nontrivial proprietary AD setup. I have to add some packages, recompile others and meet this evil PAM again.
May be if I try to connect my lappy to Linux only fully open source network it will work. Still no luck. LDAP this time. And this PAM is everywhere. And when the hell NFS moved to v4.

And I heard some rumors the init is going to be replaced. Argh no, only over my dead body.
I know every single line in my init scripts. Every single line of script contains the essence of Unix.
I am not going to give up the control over my system to some bleeding edge crap full of thousands lines of C code.

Cheers.

Like Kikinovak you try to make yourself and others here think that embracing all phony innovations is about your choice when, like your examples show, it's about we all are being *forced* to follow the cattle. The same that happens at all levels from top posting in emails to binary formated sys logs.

kikinovak · 10-27-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by eloi

Like Kikinovak you try to make yourself and others here think that embracing all phony innovations is about your choice when, like your examples show, it's about we all are being *forced* to follow the cattle. The same that happens at all levels from top posting in emails to binary formated sys logs.

Well, how do you manage centralized authentication and roaming user profiles in a production environment?

Alien Bob · 10-27-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eloi

If including PAM in Slackwere weren't in your interest surely you'd repeat your "Pat has the last word..." speech instead.

Let me repeat then: Pat has the last word on adding PAM to Slackware.
And yes, it is correct that at this point in time I would have no objections against adding Pam to Slackware. But that's just my own private opinion. Just like you are entitled to yours.
It never hurts to re-evaluate your beliefs from time to time. Sometimes such re-evaluation causes you to change your path. The other side of that branch is called dogmatism.

Remember how long I had to kick your ass before you stopped posting to this forum in 72-character formatted text blocks? Even you can change.

Eric

Arkerless · 10-28-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

Well, how do you manage centralized authentication and roaming user profiles in a production environment?

I'll admit I am in the camp that is not convinced this is an entirely real problem (I am suggesting it seems inflated, not invented.)

I dont need it for my own home systems. At work there is a 'solution' akin to PAM and it's a nightmare. A system only a witch-doctor could feel comfortable with, and even he not fully.

I remember in the late 80s we had a perfectly good solution to the problem on HP-UX, however, and I am not going to be impressed with a 'solution' that is visibly inferior to that >20 year old *nix tech.

Slax-Dude · 10-29-2014, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkerless

I remember in the late 80s we had a perfectly good solution to the problem on HP-UX, however, and I am not going to be impressed with a 'solution' that is visibly inferior to that >20 year old *nix tech.

How so?
Is it "visibly inferior" functionally, technically or security wise?

kikinovak · 11-05-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

Let me repeat then: Pat has the last word on adding PAM to Slackware.
And yes, it is correct that at this point in time I would have no objections against adding Pam to Slackware. But that's just my own private opinion. Just like you are entitled to yours.

I just installed FreeBSD 10.0 on a machine here in my office to play with it and work through the latest edition of the great FreeBSD handbook. Even FreeBSD uses PAM:

Code:

root@bernadette:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD bernadette 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014     
root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
root@bernadette:~ # ls /etc/pam.d/
README  cron    ftpd    login   passwd  rsh     su      telnetd
atrun   ftp     imap    other   pop3    sshd    system  xdm

Pixxt · 11-05-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

I just installed FreeBSD 10.0 on a machine here in my office to play with it and work through the latest edition of the great FreeBSD handbook. Even FreeBSD uses PAM:

Code:

root@bernadette:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD bernadette 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014     
root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
root@bernadette:~ # ls /etc/pam.d/
README  cron    ftpd    login   passwd  rsh     su      telnetd
atrun   ftp     imap    other   pop3    sshd    system  xdm

FreeBSD, NetBSD and Max OSX use OpenPAM which is a smaller and minimal version of PAM its not as bloated and buggy as LinuxPAM.

eloi · 11-29-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

Let me repeat then: Pat has the last word on adding PAM to Slackware.

Well, tell it to yourself or to kiki. I've never come here to ask Patrick any
feature.

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And yes, it is correct that at this point in time I would have no objections against adding Pam to Slackware. But that's just my own private opinion. Just like you are entitled to yours.

That's not an opinion.

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It never hurts to re-evaluate your beliefs from time to time. Sometimes such re-evaluation causes you to change your path. The other side of that branch is called dogmatism.

The proof that, despite most people here, I really evaluate my beliefs at all
levels and I act in coherence with that beliefs is if everybody used the
machine in the way I do annoyances like systemd wouldn't even exist.

All of my posts here, even those I've challenged you (without any intention of
insulting you like you have done with me several times) are coherent with my
beliefs and Slackware stated aim. I've addressed them from the philosophical
and practical point of view without falling in contradictions. It cannot be
said the same of yours. If you had ever evaluated your beliefs you'd use
Windows.

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Remember how long I had to kick your ass before you stopped posting to this forum in 72-character formatted text blocks? Even you can change.

Eric

Insulting again? You just kick your ass yourself all the time. To me just in
your dreams.

eloi · 11-29-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

Well, how do you manage centralized authentication and roaming user profiles in a production environment?

Do you think that you're the only one here that have a job and are forced to do
this or that? I'd like to use Slackware in my server but I'm forced to use
CentOS, anyway I don't systematically come here to ask Patrick to include
features to end converting Slackware in another RedHat clone.