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Old 05-26-2018, 08:35 AM   #31
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and because of QT5 you deem the whole SBo as ridiculous? You do have a choice to install QT5 as a package and compile against it. I do that. And to be honest -- I hope QT5 makes it into Slackware 15.0
 
Old 05-26-2018, 08:38 AM   #32
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Yes, MAYBE the Qt5 will be into SLackware 15.0, BUT it does NOT into Slackware 14.1 and 14.2

Who considered to push it into SBO, and to push Qt5 applications into, those people either smoke too much, either lives in a fantasy world.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 08:40 AM   #33
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Excuse me, but SBO started to look really ridiculous.

You guys forget that not all people buy annually a $5000 computer just to toy with your builds...
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Until after 14.2 was released the most powerful box I had was an Optiplex 755 that I bought from a business for 40. 2 core 3GHz, wow.

Since then I have spent my own money so I can do a better job for ungrateful scum like you, running builds 24/7 on hardware that most of the people in this forum would laugh at. Drinking black coffee after midnight on a Friday to finish fixing broken scripts submitted just minutes before public updates.

What have *YOU* done, mate?

I repeat: [removed]. I've never yet been warned by an LQ moderator, but I'm willing to risk it, because you need to hear these words: [removed].
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:42 AM   #34
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i agree that it takes a long time to build. That's one of my reasoning when I decided to use the packages from SlackOnly, at least on my laptop. I even wrote a post in my humble blog:

https://slackalaxy.com/2015/11/23/pr...arty-packages/

however, more and more applications depend on QT5. And noone forces you to install the library or any programs that build against it.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:43 AM   #35
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@55020

I can't be ungrateful when I do not use your work.

I for one I use pure Slackware and some packages made by Eric: Chromium (with Peper Flash, Widevine), Flash Player and LibreOffice.

OK, also I am toying with Plasma5, also made by Eric. And yes, last time I built Qt5 was to repair the Plasma5, on the Easter. So I used his build.

In other hand, someone (Nicolo Machiavelli) said that the insults are used when there are no arguments.

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Old 05-26-2018, 08:48 AM   #36
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I can't be ungrateful when I do not use your work.
So why are you posting in this thread then?

I think we all know the answer to that question.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:48 AM   #37
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I can't be ungrateful when I do not use your work.
so quit bicthing about SBo, then
 
Old 05-26-2018, 09:14 AM   #38
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[removed].

Until after 14.2 was released the most powerful box I had was an Optiplex 755 that I bought from a business for 40. 2 core 3GHz, wow.

Since then I have spent my own money so I can do a better job for ungrateful scum like you, running builds 24/7 on hardware that most of the people in this forum would laugh at. Drinking black coffee after midnight on a Friday to finish fixing broken scripts submitted just minutes before public updates.

What have *YOU* done, mate?

I repeat: [removed]. I've never yet been warned by an LQ moderator, but I'm willing to risk it, because you need to hear these words: [removed].
Using this language when someone criticize your work just demonstrate your arrogance and that that person dared to hit on a real issue.

Excuse me, but also myself I think that adding on slackbuilds.org these Qt5 and Qt5 programs for Slackware 14.1 and 14.2 is a huge mistake.

No need to respond me, I guess I figured out already what you will say me.

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Old 05-26-2018, 09:22 AM   #39
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Excuse me, but also myself I think that adding on slackbuilds.org these Qt5 and Qt5 programs for Slackware 14.1 and 14.2 is a huge mistake.
nobody is forcing you to use them, do it if you feel like.
but leave the choice to use them to whoever wants it.

P.S. no need to say it but I agree on everything 55020 wrote on the topic, including the [removed].
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 09:34 AM   #40
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nobody is forcing you to use them, do it if you feel like.
but leave the choice to use them to whoever wants it.
And so I do. Honestly, I am a humble user of Slackware as it is, with the Plasma5 as addition.

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P.S. no need to say it but I agree on everything 55020 wrote on the topic, including the [removed].
Did you hear of freedom of speech? Did you expect everyone to praise you for what you do? Did you expect only yesmen?

What I understand myself is that Drakeo and Darth Vader raised a real issue, who leaved you all without arguments, hence this choice to use insults.

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Old 05-26-2018, 09:41 AM   #41
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So why are you posting in this thread then?
Oh, so it is supposed to post there only the SBO fanboys and they righteous to bite Drakeo like a pack of wolves because he dared to criticize SBO?
 
Old 05-26-2018, 09:43 AM   #42
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And so I do. Honestly, I am a humble user of Slackware as it is, with the Plasma5 as addition.

Did you hear of freedom of speech? Did you expect everyone to praise you for what you do? Did you expect only yesmen?

What I understand myself is that Drakeo and Darth Vader raised a real issue, who leaved you all without arguments, hence this choice to use insults.
it's not an issue, as I explained above: if you don't like qt5 and applications based on it, just don't use it.
I think it's not your case and neither Darth's one, because you two say that you use plasma5, that is based on qt5, right?
don't impose people that use those applications and that they decide to build them via SBo to stop using them.

regarding Darth, he likes to troll, provoke and mortify people's work, so I guess it's pacific to send him to play soccer on the highway, once in a while...

to clarify also the qjackctl thing... I already explained Drakeo multiple times when he asked me that we SBo admins don't decide what depends on whatever else, this is a choice that maintainers do.
we can ask politely, like any other users of the library/application in question, to change dependencies or to make them optional (if possible), but the last call is done by the maintainer.
if anybody is not satisfied with the maintainer choices {s,}he is free to fork the build script and modify it following h{er,is} own tastes.

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Old 05-26-2018, 09:51 AM   #43
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I'm happy that QT5 is available from SBo.

Just because it takes 4 hours for me to build is not really a big deal to me. But I am fortunate enough to have a somewhat newer computer (my i3) just for the purpose of building packages and storing them. Even when that computer was a ASUS M2NPV-VM with a AMD Athlon X2 6000+ @ 3GHz & 8GB of DDR2-800 RAM, it would take 4.5+ hours just to build any one of the given webkit's and over 8 (it might have been closer to 12) hours to build QT5.

There are packages that require it that I use and would be stuck in the dark ages without it. Ok, not really dark ages but outdated non the less.

So if there is a package you use that requires QT5, my suggestion would be either rewrite the SlackBuild so that it does not require it, use one of the many prepackaged ones that people are so generous to provide, find a somewhat newer cheap computer on eBay for just the purpose of building and storing packages (with something like slackrepo, then you can deploy that package to any number of computers), or just don't use that package.

Thanks to everyone who made QT5 available on SBo! And don't listen to the haters. Haters gonna hate no matter what anyone does. If QT5 wasn't on SBo they would complain about that.

And big thanks to everyone who made, makes and maintains SlackBuilds and SBo. Where would we be without you? Still compiling from source and figuring out all the options and roadblocks on our own.

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Old 05-26-2018, 10:14 AM   #44
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@55020, You've been a member here long enough to know the language you used in post #33 isn't acceptable.

--jeremy
 
Old 05-26-2018, 10:20 AM   #45
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how long does it take to compile qt5 with 8 cores. I know.
you try it.
i7-5820K 3.30GHz (6 cores/12 HT) with -j12:
Code:
Slackware package /tmp/qt5-5.7.1-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz created.
Cleaning for qt5-5.7.1...
sboupgrade -j12 -fir qt5  [...] 1:15:08.79 total
As for those complaining about Qt5 being on SBo, be grateful that someone has provided the script for you at all. If you want to use software that has Qt5 as a dependency and you don't want to compile it, then install from one of the binary packages available. Otherwise, move on.
 
  


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