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Old 05-26-2018, 10:57 AM   #46
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I honestly do not understand all you people in this thread that are bashing SBo.

You can be a Slackware user and never touch anything from SBo. If you need more software than Slackware offers (and that is all of us) then you have a couple of choices:
  1. Do a "./configure && make && make install" on the sources and hope that you end up with a working software and a OS that has not been thrashed by a bad install script
  2. Write a SlackBuild script to automate the "./configure && make && make install" and allow this software to be managed by the Slackware package tools
  3. Look for a repository which has a binary for the program already - but you are at the mercy of the person who compiled it (remember linuxmafia?) and binary package repositories for Slackware are few, and none of them are big
  4. Look in the slackbuilds.org script repository and pick a SlackBuild for your program if it's there, knowing that it was submitted by one of your Slackware peers and independently QA tested on a clean Slackware system by an administrator of SBo

I do not see anything negative in using SBo.

The most ridiculous comment in this thread so far comes (again, naturally) from Darth Vader when he writes "I believe that adding the Qt5 as dependency on SBO is purely madness". If someone needs software which has Qt5 as a dependency, then there is no way around that. If that same someone takes up the challenge to write a SlackBuild script, submit it to SBo and accepts that he/she has to maintain it for future versions, then that someone has become a benefactor to the Slackware community. And if you do not like adding Qt5 to your Slackware 14.2 then no-one will force you to use it. And again, Drakeo's dyslexia works overtime so that I have no idea what his issue is...

I think that it is pretty lame, sitting behind your computer, acting like a leech, using other people's work, not giving back, yet always finding ways to diminish those who make your life easier.

Even though Jeremy reprimanded 55020, I do fully agree. I am in the same boat as he and ponce are. I am fed up with smelling your brown arses from up close.

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Old 05-26-2018, 11:14 AM   #47
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It takes 2.5 days on a single core Atom with 2GB RAM.
And a swap file I tried it without a swap on low mem, and ran out of memory. That is why it starts getting real slow. I'm sure it's pretty much a ram issue for building it, because I can build qt5 with my 8 year old machines still just fine, given the circumstances. This isn't about how much money we spend. It's just a little patience and thinking through the problem.

qt5 apps are generally fine, and I have no issue building it for the options it gives over the gtk3 variety. The bloat in qt is a bit outside anything we can do with in slackbuilds.

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Motif may be a little ugly by present day standards but I'm starting to think it's the lesser of evils and that it's time for a revival!
I installed mwm on a centos 7 machine (because twm is broken there). Motif is great. I would be happy to see more of it.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 11:14 AM   #48
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@55020, You've been a member here long enough to know the language you used in post #33 isn't acceptable.

--jeremy
With all due honesty the problem is not 55020. Darth Vader is a like a broken clock, somehow he manages to be right sometimes, but the rest of the time he just derails discussions and misinforms less experienced users while often being needlessly abrasive. I question if you are actually paying attention to the context, if you were you would see how much patience people like 55020 have shown with dealing with generally rude posters such as Darth Vader... Not to mention those with less patience who turned around and never came back because it was easier than dealing with Darth Vader.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:25 PM   #49
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This Slackware forum is a strange place. I've been posting here regularly for about five months and I've noticed that most of the time it's filled with knowledgeable, intelligent, articulate and helpful posts - far more than I've seen on any other Linux board.

Then once in a blue moon a thread will come along that starts a forum-wide hissy fit, the devs and regulars start throwing rotting veg at each other and the whole thing becomes a circus. It's utterly bizarre. And Darth is something of a troll - yes he is right at times, and he has helped me in the past - but he does enjoy turning the heat up for his own amusement and then smirking at the reactions.

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Old 05-26-2018, 12:27 PM   #50
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With all due honesty the problem is not 55020. Darth Vader is a like a broken clock, somehow he manages to be right sometimes, but the rest of the time he just derails discussions and misinforms less experienced users while often being needlessly abrasive. I question if you are actually paying attention to the context, if you were you would see how much patience people like 55020 have shown with dealing with generally rude posters such as Darth Vader... Not to mention those with less patience who turned around and never came back because it was easier than dealing with Darth Vader.
If you think a specific post or member needs mod attention, use the report function or contact one of us directly. Regardless of this specific instance, one member behaving poorly does mean a different member should break a very clearly defined LQ rule (and in this case the member clearly knew they were breaking a rule when they did it).

--jeremy
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:04 PM   #51
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Yes, MAYBE the Qt5 will be into SLackware 15.0, BUT it does NOT into Slackware 14.1 and 14.2

Who considered to push it into SBO, and to push Qt5 applications into, those people either smoke too much, either lives in a fantasy world.
I want to build and run software that has Qt5 as a dependency. Who are you to say that it shouldn't be available on SBo? I for one am glad that it is, and I don't mind the time it takes to build it. This is one of your more ridiculous rants, and that's saying something.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 02:19 PM   #52
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Using this language when someone criticize your work just demonstrate your arrogance and that that person dared to hit on a real issue.

Excuse me, but also myself I think that adding on slackbuilds.org these Qt5 and Qt5 programs for Slackware 14.1 and 14.2 is a huge mistake.

No need to respond me, I guess I figured out already what you will say me.
Darth hit on an issue? What might that be? So far neither you, him, nor Drakeo have mentioned what the issue actually is. "Big and takes a long time to compile" is not a real issue.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 03:02 PM   #53
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Yeah, man! BUT the users does not use clean full installations, because they install other packages, some even SBO generated.

THEN, it is safely to assume that the packages are built in "dirty" systems by the SBO users, so depending on what the user already installed, the build may or may not pick particular features.

Long story short, I believe that the SBO scripts never generate the same packages, because the particular conditions where the packages are built.

AND, how SBO lacks the support for build-dependencies and it is unable to check and tune them, it is safely to assume that this endeavor is a failed design from start.
That's funny, I've never had a problem building from SBo as long as I had the dependencies in order and the links for the scripts were still valid. There was a time that foomatic-db-engine had an invalid link, but that was an easy fix with copy/paste. So, not really seeing the problem here.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 03:08 PM   #54
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Oh, so it is supposed to post there only the SBO fanboys and they righteous to bite Drakeo like a pack of wolves because he dared to criticize SBO?
That door swings both ways, as in those who stir up trouble just for shits and giggles. Instead of offering up solutions you have many posts on many threads that can be construed as sophisticated trolling. Sophisticated only in the sense that it often is in the subtle grey area, where the mods tend to give a pass.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:12 PM   #55
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This Slackware forum is a strange place. I've been posting here regularly for about five months and I've noticed that most of the time it's filled with knowledgeable, intelligent, articulate and helpful posts - far more than I've seen on any other Linux board.

Then once in a blue moon a thread will come along that starts a forum-wide hissy fit, the devs and regulars start throwing rotting veg at each other and the whole thing becomes a circus. It's utterly bizarre. And Darth is something of a troll - yes he is right at times, and he has helped me in the past - but he does enjoy turning the heat up for his own amusement and then smirking at the reactions.
Perhaps, the mods need to come up with a "cool down" button for such users...Come back in 72 hours etc...
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:22 PM   #56
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Perhaps, the mods need to come up with a "cool down" button for such users...Come back in 72 hours etc...
Temp-bans lasting for that range of time are actually pretty common here.

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Old 05-26-2018, 05:01 PM   #57
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It takes 2.5 days on a single core Atom with 2GB RAM.
sure will love that dependency.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 05:07 PM   #58
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I honestly do not understand all you people in this thread that are bashing SBo.

You can be a Slackware user and never touch anything from SBo. If you need more software than Slackware offers (and that is all of us) then you have a couple of choices:
  1. Do a "./configure && make && make install" on the sources and hope that you end up with a working software and a OS that has not been thrashed by a bad install script
  2. Write a SlackBuild script to automate the "./configure && make && make install" and allow this software to be managed by the Slackware package tools
  3. Look for a repository which has a binary for the program already - but you are at the mercy of the person who compiled it (remember linuxmafia?) and binary package repositories for Slackware are few, and none of them are big
  4. Look in the slackbuilds.org script repository and pick a SlackBuild for your program if it's there, knowing that it was submitted by one of your Slackware peers and independently QA tested on a clean Slackware system by an administrator of SBo

I do not see anything negative in using SBo.

The most ridiculous comment in this thread so far comes (again, naturally) from Darth Vader when he writes "I believe that adding the Qt5 as dependency on SBO is purely madness". If someone needs software which has Qt5 as a dependency, then there is no way around that. If that same someone takes up the challenge to write a SlackBuild script, submit it to SBo and accepts that he/she has to maintain it for future versions, then that someone has become a benefactor to the Slackware community. And if you do not like adding Qt5 to your Slackware 14.2 then no-one will force you to use it. And again, Drakeo's dyslexia works overtime so that I have no idea what his issue is...

I think that it is pretty lame, sitting behind your computer, acting like a leech, using other people's work, not giving back, yet always finding ways to diminish those who make your life easier.

Even though Jeremy reprimanded 55020, I do fully agree. I am in the same boat as he and ponce are. I am fed up with smelling your brown arses from up close.
Most of your stuff is nice far from stable. Chromium you build has never been stable but donated to you for that wonderful scripting.
you write patches or copy them for stuff that is part of the GN args. but your chromium is ok. nothing else said. I build it 3 times a week embedding cef3.
you work way to hard. it is the gtk xml schema that broke most of your stuff.
you do do good things Bob.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 05:15 PM   #59
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Most of your stuff is nice far from stable. Chromium you build has never been stable but donated to you for that wonderful scripting.
you write patches or copy them for stuff that is part of the GN args. but your chromium is ok. nothing else said. I build it 3 times a week embedding cef3.
you work way to hard. it is the gtk xml schema that broke most of your stuff.
you do do good things Bob.
I do good things. I don't do good things. What do I do exactly?
If you think you can fix the things I don't do well (why on earth would you compile chromium 3 times a week!): send patches!
Messages like "your stuff does not work" while you still keep on using my stuff are not productive. Send patches! Or stop using my stuff and stop the nagging.
 
Old 05-26-2018, 05:18 PM   #60
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i agree that it takes a long time to build. That's one of my reasoning when I decided to use the packages from SlackOnly, at least on my laptop. I even wrote a post in my humble blog:

https://slackalaxy.com/2015/11/23/pr...arty-packages/

however, more and more applications depend on QT5. And noone forces you to install the library or any programs that build against it.
That is a nice way to go. Glad it worked for you in 14,1 and 14,2 . now go compile stuff with the latest ldconfig. like kdenlive for 14.1 or 14.2.
let me know your fixes when you try to use that new build.
I see a new ldconfig in slackware 14.2 current
 
  


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