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View Poll Results: Do you prefer KDE 4 or KDE 5?
KDE 4 33 30.56%
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:19 AM   #31
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If you don't like it - don't use it. There are lots of things in a full install that I don't use or haven't got round to using. There are WMs/DEs that I don't care for, so I don't use them, but I don't whine about them either. I don't believe you will be FORCED to use anything you don't want to. Slackware has no Room 101.

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Old 09-28-2017, 10:28 AM   #32
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Those 1.2 GB of package about I talk, are XZ compressed packages. Installed on system, the Plasma 5 goodness claim about 3.4 GB of space.

Meanwhile, a KDE4 installation claim "only" about 1.6 GB, the deps from L series not being counted. Also, not being installed the Languages.

And 3.4 GB of space occupied by some questionable useful Desktop Environment could be too much when your computer(s) have serious storage size constraints, like ones of @Lucky Cyborg.



An ugly lady will remain, well... ugly, even she wear hundreds of thousands worth robes.

Plasma 5 fallen on the same booby trap like Windows 8 and beyond: "the mobile like" interface. And that's ugly like hell, in my humble opinion.
Honestly, "bloated" and "ugly" are not very good arguments for not including it. Both are completely subjective measures.

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Then not force in my own computer this utterly crap! You can be kind to use a thirdly party repository to get your daily dose of Plasma.
No one is forcing you to use it or even install it on your computer. If Slackware does upgrade to Plasma 5, your third-party repository advice applies equally to KDE 4.
 
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:35 AM   #33
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Then not force in my own computer this utterly crap! You can be kind to use a thirdly party repository to get your daily dose of Plasma.
You wrote fifty times here, that plasma5 is ugly, we know now
 
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:42 AM   #34
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No one is forcing you to use it or even install it on your computer.
I dare to differ. A really KDE/Qt free installation of Slackware is already problematic, because it is a challenge to remove the KDE4 deps from L series, without dependencies resolution (and package "groups")

Adopting the KDE5 would make those matters even worse, considering the huge number of deps prone to arrive in L series, in the near future.

Maybe is about time for Patrick V. to invent the "KDEL" series, where to put all those KDE4 or future KDE5 deps, including even the Qt ones?

This way would be much more easy to not install the KDE dependencies, if they are not needed at all, from political, aesthetically or space reasons.

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Old 09-28-2017, 10:48 AM   #35
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Then not force in my own computer this utterly crap! You can be kind to use a thirdly party repository to get your daily dose of Plasma.
I'm confused. Why do you use Current? I do not understand why you are upset with Current when 14.2 will be supported for years? Its not like all the Slackware stable releases already out are going to lose KDE 4.
 
Old 09-28-2017, 10:52 AM   #36
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Maybe is about time for Patrick V. to invent the "KDEL" series, where to put all those KDE4 or future KDE5 deps, including even the Qt ones?

This way would be much more easy to not install the KDE dependencies, if they are not needed at all, from political, aesthetically or space reasons.
I think that it is an amazing good idea!

Isolating the Plasma 5 and Qt packages in their own series make a breakthrough difference for those who do not want them.

Even on KDE4 this structure could help a lot those who do not need the KDE on their particular setup, i.e. a web server.
 
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:53 AM   #37
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I dare to differ. A really KDE/Qt free installation of Slackware is already problematic, because it is a challenge to remove the KDE4 deps from L series, without dependencies resolution (and package "groups")

Adopting the KDE5 would make those matters even worse, considering the huge number of deps prone to arrive in L series, in the near future.

Maybe is about time for Patrick V. to invent the "KDEL" series, where to put all those KDE4 or future KDE5 deps, including even the Qt ones?

This way would be much more easy to not install the KDE dependencies, if they are not needed at all, from political, aesthetically or space reasons.
I guess that's true, but Darth was talking about the size of the KDE series itself, not the deps in the L series. Plus, those would occupy relatively small size on the hard drive compared to the KDE series, if one is concerned about that.
 
Old 09-28-2017, 10:56 AM   #38
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I'm confused. Why do you use Current?
Because Slackware 14.2 does not work in my particular hardware.

And like Eric Hameleers said at those past times, I used to stay in my ass using 14.1, while previous -current, then no reasons to yell when the release was done.

So, I learned my lesson, and now I follow the -current like a hound dog.

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Old 09-28-2017, 11:08 AM   #39
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Maybe is about time for Patrick V. to invent the "KDEL" series, where to put all those KDE4 or future KDE5 deps, including even the Qt ones?
I would like to see a KDEL series, together with a Games and a Multimedia series. The command-line players currently in the ap series could go into Multimedia instead. It would be easy then for the lazy Slackers among us to skip KDE, games and multimedia entirely when setting up servers. How practicable it is to do this is another thing.

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Old 09-28-2017, 11:14 AM   #40
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I guess that's true, but Darth was talking about the size of the KDE series itself, not the deps in the L series. Plus, those would occupy relatively small size on the hard drive compared to the KDE series, if one is concerned about that.
The KDE5 deps occupy around 786 MB, then that's not so fun when your entire "harddrive" have just 4GB, like in my EEEPC.

Also, what sense makes to install the KDE and Qt deps in a mail server, for example?
 
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:17 AM   #41
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The KDE5 deps occupy around 786 MB, then that's not so fun when your entire "harddrive" have just 4GB, like in my EEEPC.

Also, what sense makes to install the KDE and Qt deps in a mail server, for example?
Just curious, is there a complete list of KDE 5 deps that you are getting this information from?
 
Old 09-28-2017, 11:19 AM   #42
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Just curious, is there a complete list of KDE 5 deps that you are getting this information from?
http://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/ali...5/x86_64/deps/

I installed everything from there in a temporary folder using the command:
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installpkg --root /tmp/plasma5 *.t?z
 
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:21 AM   #43
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You installed also the telepathy sub-folder?
 
Old 09-28-2017, 11:21 AM   #44
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http://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/ali...5/x86_64/deps/

I installed everything from there in a temporary folder using the command:
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installpkg --root /tmp/plasma5 *.t?z
Okay, I see. If those are really only needed for KDE (as far as the full install is concerned), then I agree it would be helpful to put them in their own category.
 
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You installed also the telepathy sub-folder?
Yes.
 
  


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