Sure I can.
you're talking about a recently created 'standard', yes?
for years, EVERYONE 'had to have' nVidia. PC mfgs started including nVidia. Intel uses nVidia, X.Org works with nVidia. That makes nVidia the de facto Standard, just like flash once was, Right. So I can be just as PO'd at KDE (and opensuse for deleting kde4 repos) as I was at Adobe when they abandoned (flipped off) Linux user, discontinuing development/updates of a Linux flashplayer... I Hated flash, but 'everyone' 'had to have it' on their ill-codded sites. Yuck.

Now, I'm not pro or con nVidia either, I just want a Fast, Clear, non-'work-around' functional DE Display in 3D if I choose...
But, nVidia is what All my laptops/systems with Intel chipsets (onboard graphics) use as a GPU...
So,,, for Wayland and KDE (by adopting it), to go in another direction, IS in Fact their fault. Laptop ie, mobile users can NOT 'upgrade' their video graphics card to a $10 non-nVidia generic card just to 'be cool' and follow Wayland and Plasma 5 on their stroll to,,, who knows...

I really don't care one way or another about nVidia, Wayland, KDE etc.
I only care that they (opensuse, kde) are DELETING KDE4 leaving US NO CHOICE in the matter. These are 'companies' (tax exempt charities really) who should cater to users/supporters, not flip them off w/ 'our way or no way'. (i've bought Suse and financially supported both opensuse & kde)

That's all...
Just don't want a product (Wayland/Plasma5) They Know doesn't work w/ my current or near future hardware. Thinkpad nor Dell is going to drop nVidia because KDE wants to use Wayland, So... KDE4 is my Vote.

Landis.
sorry. I didn't realize this was a Slackware forum when I voted from index

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Hmmm now I am a bit confused. Not only does Live Slack Plasma 5 load and use the nVidia blob but way back in June of this year KDE incorporated a fix for "back from suspend" issues with nVidia. So the problem apparently doesn't exist with the Plasma, Xorg, nVidia combo just with Wayland instead of Xorg. That said and even though I am and have been for decades a vocal defender of nVidia I have to admit the problem is actually not with Wayland but with nVidia. I understand and support nVidia's perception that they need their drivers to be proprietary but I have yet to see how supporting Linux gbm would be a "chink in their armor". As I always write nVidia every time I buy a new nVidia card to let them know it is their Linux support that most influenced my purchase (figuring few people ever contact manufacturer's with anything but questions and/or complaints) now I am thinking of asking for an explanation as to why this seems to them "a bridge too far".

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Well "Lunar" go to the latest blogs from the plasma developers and they Wayland issue. It has to do with industry standards. x11 the Xwayland and Wayland. The developers have reached out to Nvidia. As they have done many times. The door is open and communication is going on.
Pretty Sure NVidia not going to put a team on it till things mature.

That said KDE team explains they can only meet half way. And are willing to do more if need be.
Baby steps.

KDE is not owned by IBM like the systmd Red Hat folks and Gnome.

This is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

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Neither. If 3 or TDE were part of the choice I might have considered it. I am already biased against KDE because of 4 and it's Akonadi service; and that is why I have opted to install Slackware WITHOUT anything KDE or that requires KDE as a dependency in the first place, mostly also because that stupid Akonadi service is still running when not even going into KDE at times. I don't even want to know or care to know about KDE5. KDE is dead to me. LXDE is better; at least for me.

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Really? How have you determined this? I voted KDE5 by the way.

Just read the posts from this very thread and you will notice probably that there are many non-Slackware users expressing their opinions.

Tu chipotes là

Oops in french Sorry:

you quibble, there

Not here in the world of Linux its not. For at least the last 10 years the wisdom is if you want your graphics card/chip to work with software you buy Intel or Ati/AMD because they supported the efforts of the open source graphics stack & the hackers who bring it to us and buy nvidia if you only care about games or max 3d performance.

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5. I use 4 on Slackware and 5 on Kubuntu, liking the option of icons laid out on screen accompanied by a text menu on the side (and of a text menu when I want.) To contrast with GNOME 3, KDE 5 feels more natural and usable to me.

KDE felt foreign to me at first, but as I tried it out, it grew on me and I've gotten to enjoy using it. There are still things about it I don't like, but after the important adjustments they're down to quibbles, and there are more interesting things to do with Slackware than trying to fix those. I look forward to 5 eventually making it into the release, but not in a hurry for it.

I found the large number of applications in 14.2 full installation distracting at first, but then took it as an opportunity to explore the applications and functions available, and 64-14.2 runs quickly and smoothly on this machine with everything and KDE (no noticeable difference from Xfce on this newer machine, definitely a speed difference on a 10-year-old 64 bit single core box.)

I still find the K obsession in naming strange.

Couldn't vote - is the poll closed, or is it just because I'm new here?

[ EDIT ] Thank you moderators for letting me in. Now voted KDE 5.

Maybe they're new Slackware users?

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Actually, prefer Xfce, KDE4 was/is ok, however, with that said, I have played around with KDE5/Plasma and it is coming along nicely, mainly play with Mageia KDE and Eric's.

They should all be made aware that Slackware 14.2 will have many more years of support and it comes with KDE 4! Slackware 13.0 was released 8 years ago and is still being patched. 14.2 will probably be around until at least 2022 based on previous EOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Releases

Also there are themes so it doesn't look completely flat:

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Then we woke up.