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Old 01-08-2018, 12:55 PM   #226
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What sense have, when they love to restart everything from ground zero, again and again?
Hmm...
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Old 01-08-2018, 12:56 PM   #227
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Ouch, you might want to stick with Slackware 14.2. Is having 2300 files open in Kate what you usually do?
BTW, this one of 2300 files is one of the smallest ones. I have projects even about 8000 files.

Also, for me, sticking with 14.2 is, well... problematic. As it hate my hardware and my hardware hate it.

OK, maybe I can solve that, backporting the kernels and the graphics stack from today -current.

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Old 01-08-2018, 12:59 PM   #228
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Hmm...
That's our boys!

PS. You guys better read carefully this http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermai...ay/029902.html

Yep, they have plans for Qt6. For this year. And the Plasma will go along. They will rewrite it again from zero.

IF the Slackware -current adopts now the Plasma 5 for v15, I guess it will be already obsolete in the next Slackware development cycle.

So, we will have the unique case where the Plasma 5 will be shipped only by Slackware 15.

My crystal ball says that in several years we will do polls Plasma 5 vs. Plasma 6. For v15.1

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Old 01-08-2018, 01:11 PM   #229
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BTW, this one of 2300 files is one of the smallest ones. I have projects even about 8000 files.

Also, for me, sticking with 14.2 is, well... problematic. As it hate my hardware and my hardware hate it.

OK, maybe I can solve that, backporting the kernels and the graphics stack from today -current.
Have you considered Trinity Desktop?
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Kate: Advanced text editor with syntax highlighting and much more.
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/appli...hp#development
 
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:13 PM   #230
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Have you considered Trinity Desktop?

https://www.trinitydesktop.org/appli...hp#development
Sure. Also I consider seriously the "Quadrinity" Desktop for work.
 
Old 01-08-2018, 01:33 PM   #231
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Dear @ordealbyfire83, you are kind to explain how your opinion as BLFS user is relevant for Slackware Linux?
I'm not so inclined, but after reading this thread I found mentioned quite a lot of the concerns and problems that I had in getting KDE 5 built and configured. Let's NOT go there, but Slackware and B/LFS are probably the last traditional GNU/Linux distributions (as opposed to the so-called "modern" systemd/Linux variants). So if there gets a point where KDE5 will not run with the traditional LFS base then it probably won't work on Slackware without heavy modifications, either. And some parts seem to be headed that way.

Slackware is the distribution that people turn to when things are expected to "just work" and thus far it has all of the tight integration needed to make that happen. KDE5, well, doesn't "just work," and folks like to add a "yet" there, but will it ever?

Not to mention rebuilding a newer point release of KDE5 (kdelibs and plasma user space) sometimes requires newer versions of graphics packages (Mesa, X, ...) so it's not always even possible to fix bugs without an entire OS spec bump.
 
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:24 PM   #232
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And some parts seem to be headed that way.
Care to share which part you are talking about? I would not be able to mention any at this point in time.

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Not to mention rebuilding a newer point release of KDE5 (kdelibs and plasma user space) sometimes requires newer versions of graphics packages (Mesa, X, ...) so it's not always even possible to fix bugs without an entire OS spec bump.
For slackware-current that is not an issue. And I have been building KDE5 packages for Slackware 14.2 (which was released one and a half year ago) until december 2017 without the need for X.Org or mesa updates. So I think it is not as bad as you think.
 
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:07 PM   #233
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Doing the "agreeing play", I would like to note that the Kate from KDE4 is able to open around 2300 files for a 1GB memory consumption.

While the shiny one from Plasma 5 sends in the swap usage a box with 16GB memory, trying to open the same set of files.

I guess that it eat at least 10 times more memory than the KDE4 counterpart.

I really loved that glorious memory "optimization" !
[Just being nosey ... ]

What kind of work flow requires 2300 ( or as you say in a later post, 8000 ) interactive graphical edit sessions ?

Or is this some sort of Kate Scripting than cannot be done with traditional commandline tools ?

[/Just being nosey]

Thanks !

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Old 01-08-2018, 03:11 PM   #234
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Yep, they have plans for Qt6. For this year. And the Plasma will go along. They will rewrite it again from zero.
Qt6 is supposed to be source compatible with qt5, so it isn't a given that the KDE developers will need to start from scratch.
 
Old 01-08-2018, 03:35 PM   #235
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[Just being nosey ... ]

What kind of work flow requires 2300 ( or as you say in a later post, 8000 ) interactive graphical edit sessions ?

Or is this some sort of Kate Scripting than cannot be done with traditional commandline tools ?

[/Just being nosey]

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The web development.

If you are curious, you can start by counting the files from a Moodle: 16937, for example.

But there are many web applications much more complex than it.

PS. For fun, you can count also the files from your current kernel sources: 67232. Not only in the web development are tons of source files.

PS2. For example, only the Laravel Framework kernel alone has 887 files.

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Old 01-08-2018, 03:37 PM   #236
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Care to share which part you are talking about? I would not be able to mention any at this point in time.
Specifically I'm talking about session management and getting Shutdown, Reboot, Hibernate, and Suspend to show up AND actually work. There was discussion about this here. I unfortunately could not get the desired behavior even by trying the suggestions in this thread regarding 'startkde'. If this has actually been fixed (in the sense of not needing any logind implementation whatsoever) since then, then that would surely be a plus.

In my experience there was a spec bump needed in going from KDE 5.5 to 5.8 - although the packages compiled without error, keyboard and mouse flat out failed to work, and text input was garbled, on 5.8 until I upgraded the underlying system. BLFS specifically asks for "Mesa built with Wayland" for building the Plasma part of KDE 5. I suspect this is where things can get messy - maybe Mesa built this way has issues. Perhaps you have found a way to avoid this (and thus skipping the kwayland{-integration} packages)? If so that would probably give much more flexibility and stability with adopting new versions.

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Old 01-08-2018, 07:11 PM   #237
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The web development.

If you are curious, you can start by counting the files from a Moodle: 16937, for example.

But there are many web applications much more complex than it.

PS. For fun, you can count also the files from your current kernel sources: 67232. Not only in the web development are tons of source files.

PS2. For example, only the Laravel Framework kernel alone has 887 files.
Yeah, but why do they all need to be open at the same time?
 
Old 01-08-2018, 07:45 PM   #238
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Yeah, but why do they all need to be open at the same time?
Long story short: I need to open a very large number of files in a editor. FOR WORK!

What I do? Why I do that? It is my own business. And precisely is not your business.

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Old 01-08-2018, 07:49 PM   #239
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I just can't imagine a situation where it would be more productive to have all of them open at the same time than only the ones you are working on, but as you said, it's your own business.
 
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