Hmm, so you were that guy who started that whole GPL Stuff a few months ago ?
If so then Kendall i STILL waiting for your shipping address to send you the source CD (you seem to have left our forums before you gave them that information so HOW could they ever send it to you without knowing WHERE to send it to ???).

As for the thread beeing deleted, we hardly ever delete threads (except when they violate the community standards) AFAIK that thread was causing heated discussions and was starting a flame war, a moderator decided to lock it I guess (it wasn't me) and maybe it got deleted later on.

Now if you have read that thread you would have seen that Linspire made an error in judgement and in trying to comply with the GPL they started to offer the source CD to it's customers.

You may be right about the whole Source must be on CD thing, but Linspire was under the impression that they were GPL compilant and when it seemed that they were not quite doing this (at least by the opinion of a few) they took emediate action by correcting this.

Now I just don't understand WHY somebody who seems to "HATE" Linspire spends so much time reading and posting in a Linspire related forum on a well respected support site like Linuxquestions.org ?? I thought this site was for people to help eachother with their Linux problems not to attack ones choice of distro.

I realy don't like RedHat (call it a yought trauma) but do you see ME posting in RedHat forums how much I Hate their product and their RPM system ?? No I don't I might occasionaly mention how I feel about RH but if you reply and tell me that RH rocks then that's good for you (I guess there is a reason WHY RedHat got so big in the Linux business).

ouch - the insider forum must have scheduled everyone to take turns flogging me

Cloudy, my address was on the support ticket the WHOLE time....

Leaving a forum and being blocked are two different things, i was blocked, the account deleted, the threaads removed, I think even the thread that mentioned that thread was deleted and it was started by someone else altogether... Did you see anything that violated community standards? If you did it wasnt my post! heck the thread wasnt even my doing... Of course I am sure they told you all that it was me doing it all... I even created another account and contacted kendall to ask about everything and he deleted that account as well and then the ban and the last post i seen as YET another different user was that I was creating accounts like crazy and starting threads and replying which is all bullllloney! and they seemed to accuse me of being Drevil and somegirl as well....

"they took emediate action by correcting this"
i think ONLY after some of their followers finally said "hey whats up" and called them on it... you honestly dont think they knew all along. I think they just once again made you'll think they took added steps. In fact someone posted "lisnpire has well paid lawyers, dont you think they would make sure they are in compliance" or soemthing to that effect, yes I do THINK JUST THAT!

But look at the ftp site for 4.x source code... one version of each package? How many 4.x.x releases did they have? They are REQUIRED to supply the source to all the versions they released as far as I know not just one version! But still do you know anyone who has received a source cd in the mail?

Oh so pointing out shortcoming and things that other distros does better is smoehow attacking the other huh? I dont feel that informing people is attacking.

Want to talk about a attack, look at this thread for example or the other thread here where I mention some little opinion and all of a sudden it is blown ALL out of proportion and I am accused of all sorts of lies and statements that you can see I did not even make and also called rediculous and uninformed and lord knows what as well as told to "restrict yourself to truthful and thoughtful opinions"....

If you'll could sit and discuss something rationally without beating me (as well as anyone else) over the head with linspire goodness long enough to see my point and THEN decide if I am acting irrational then I may not be so upset.... as it is, if you want to treat me like a troll then troll i am! you know a troll witha valid point still means it is a VALID point! Let someone walk in there and mention CNR is no value and see what happens, of course youll have become a LOT nicer about it I see... maybe some sensitivity training or soemthing

I would also add that it isnt the place to attack others..... Yet you can point out that I am somehow wrong to be on here and make a simple statement to the effect that I didnt think linspire would be around very long which was VERY relevent to someone asking about a job and I also was helpful by pointing out that there is a link and often there are jobs posted - But yet you overlook the fact that peter, puster, you and others came on here and proceeded to post entirely off topic and attack me.... That is probably one of my biggest beefs is that you'll have a double standard for everything! You'll are above whatever you are claiming someone else is doing because you'll are in agreement! The collective! As I stated in the post that was deleted - MOB MENTALITY! Of course then the mob proceeded to call me crazy for saying mob mentality....

As I said I didn't delete that post and NO I didn't think it violated the community standards.
However Linspire INC. owns those forums and if they decide to delete your post there is nothing I (or any other Moderator at their forums) can do about it.
The figured the discussion was getting overheated and decided to delete it (they do have that right you know, those Forums are not a democracy). If you go to an Official Microsoft forum or a Apple Macintosh one and you post some negative stuff about their product it will also be deteted (companies don't like that stuff on their forums). Linspire is diffrent but they DO ask to provide them with some valuable feedback. Posts that go like "I hate linspire" will be deleted (offcourse) but if you post "I don't like Linspire because they use the Root account as the default user account" you might get a discussion going but if it stays civil it will not be removed/deleted.

If they decide to delete my account tomorrow there is nothing I can do about it.

Well I can't comment on this, and NO I don't know anybody who requested a source CD (other then YOU and you claim you never got it).

It all depends on HOW you bring it.
If I would go into a RedHat forum and post something like "RedHat Sucks !" I would be flamed and called a Troll (not saying that you said anything like this here or on the Linspîre forums, just using this as a example).

BUT if you would say something like :
I don't like Linspire because ... "INSERT REASON HERE"
It can be whatever you want basically, maybe you don't like the way they make the GUI look (but that's pretty personal).

Anyways.
I frequent the forums for about 3 years now and I'm not in the habbit of flaming people who post a valid reason why they like or dislike the product. Linspire is NOT for everybody. But I don't like people who just make unconstructive posts like 'Linspire Sucks'

Now I know that there are some people at the forums who feel a personal attack on Linspire is a personal attack on them, and they might react a bit diffrent then the majority of our forums users. The Linspire forums have always been a nice place to stay (offcourse we have fights over there but that's normal in every community).

I can't speek for anybody else but I can't remember calling you dishonnest or anything like that.
It's just that many of us (pvdl and the others who have replied to your posts) are sick and tired of hearing the same Linspire bashing BS everytime. (you know how many people still believe Linspire is trying to be able to run Windows software while this hasn't been the case since the later 2.x versions). There is NO General Release of Linspire or LindowsOS that claims it runs Windows software (been going of for more then 2 years).

Like I said it's all in how you bring it.
I personally DON'T USE CNR so it has no value to me, but I can see that a person who's new to Linux would happely pay the $19,95/year license fee for Linspire. (or the $50 for the Gold membership). They offer some value since they also offer discounts to commercial products in CNR). Unfortunatly it's limited to CNR and Linspire so it has no value for me on my Debian box.

Take a look at the forums and see how many discussions on installing software with APT, Klik, source, ... there are. I even have a HINT in the HINTS, TIPS and TRICS section on the diffrent installation methods of software on Linux/Linspire.
We ONLY state that Linspire officially supports no 3rd party installation methods but only their CNR and that APT might break some stuff.

I didn't have had ANY training and I don't work for Linspire.
And as I pointed out on their Forums before I don't always agree with what they do and I just openly state it.
I might not agree with the "Run as root" isue, but it's their decision and the only thing I can do is point them to my personal opinion on the subject and hope they see my point of view.

... except it was completely false / fiction / made-up nonsense. How is your fantasy relevant to anything?

Jake Tate:

It is not "an attack" to point out lies. It is a service - no charge.

Your contribution recently has consisted simply of a number of false assertions. Let me remind you:
If you have some actual facts, post away. Here's what I have called you on so far:

1. "Linspire doesn't support open source". FACT: Linspire supports open source a whole lot more than most distros.

2. "Linspire is going out of business". FACT: Linspire has $20M in the bank.

3. "Linspire source isn't available" FACT: I gave the download URL

4. "Linspire broke the GPL license" FACT: No they didn't.

Many distros, the majority of major distros in fact, charge for the service of providing a distro. You seem to object to that. However, rather than say so directly, you invent and make all kinds of demonstrably false charges. This is why people have little respect or time for you.

If your complaint is with the "for profit" nature of Linspire distro, then say so honestly. And also explain why you are giving a pass to Red Hat, SUSE, Mandriva, JDS, etc. And stop the false accusations/statements.

Linux has one shot at taking market share from Microsoft, and the best hope for bringing non-technical Windows users to Linux is Linspire. Do you support that goal or not?

Peter

Well I don't realy support you on the Peter.
Linspire is a good product but it's NOT the only Desktop Linux out there. so I wouldn't sat that Linspire is the "best hope" or "only way" to get people to move from Windows to Linux.

I've tried many diffrent versions of Mandrake in the past and it's a good Desktop Product, The same can be said about SuSE and many other distro's.

If you just take a look at Xandros you'll see that they are taking the same route as Linspire (both commercial Desktop Linux with CNR or something similar). Xandros IMHO goes even further in it's quest to look like Microsoft Windows. I feel Xandros and especialy their FileManager looks more like Windows (the 9x and 2000 serries) then Linspire. And even then that's because they use KDE and KDE is kinda build to look like MS Windows 9x (taskbar and start menu and stuff like that).

So I would rather say that companies like Linspire, Xandros, Novell (SuSE), RedHat, ... are the best hope to bring Linux to the masses since they support the Open Source Community with both Code and Money and the improvements they make (better hardware support, easier to use, etc.) will eventually find their way into the FREE (as Gratis) distro's like Debian, Slackware, ... making ALL Linux better (offcourse only if those big distro's play fair and license their stuff as GPL and not as proprietary code). Just take a look at the Debian installer for Woody (it took an expert to install Debian 3.0 but the new installer for Sarge (3.1) is much better (offcourse it's not YaST or anaconda or any other nice GUI installer but it does the job and Debian isn't trying to become the "worlds most easiest Linux"

So bottom line, Linspire is a good product and it will probably convert a lot of microsoft followers in the future but I don't believe it's the ONLY Desktop Linux that can/will do it.

Sure, there are lots of good Desktop Linux distros.

None of them have the simplicity of Linspire.

None of them have the support infrastructure of Linspire

None of them have the one click install of Linspire

None of them have preinstallation on OEM PC hardware.

This is why I conclude that Linspire is Linux's best shot at taking a big share from Microsoft. If there were a better-positioned Linux distro for the masses, I would throw my weight behind that. And so should anyone who wants to see Linux win.

Peter

peter is back to run me around the same tree again, whew i am tired...ok....

"except it was completely false / fiction / made-up nonsense"

Linspire is owned correct? Someone can close up shop correct? So in reality it is at least POSSIBLE that they could stop doing business in the next year timeframe! So therefore my opinion that they may be gone in a year, is just as reasonable and as possible as your opinion that they will not be gone anytime soon. I havent seen you present any legal document with MR/KC signature that states that they legally agree to keep linspire in business for the next 40 years! So once again please stop attacking my opinions since they are as valid as yours, even though they may not be as popular or to your liking!

Let us just take a look at your facts and see how they measure up...

"FACT: Linspire supports open source a whole lot more than most distros."

So you have a legal document that shows exactly what linspire and other linux distros contribute to open source? Please provide said document or else this is not a fact it is a assumption, a opinion, a belief but not in any way a fact.



"FACT: Linspire has $20M in the bank."
Well lots of businesses have money in the bank and still chose to go out of business. Can you please provide the bank statements that show the 20million sitting in the bank? I mean you are offering this as fact correct? Unless linspire is profitable then it would stand to reason that any money collected from a legal settlement would actually be used right? How much is linspires operating costs? Has M$ even paid the money? How much does their agreement with SCO cost them? Or are you going to tell me this is a blatant lie as well?

"FACT: I gave the download URL"
I never said source wasnt available. I said it wasn't availabel by the same method that the product was provided to me. So you can show me either the written offer that accompanies the product or the source cd that comes in the 4.0 version of linspire.

4. "Linspire broke the GPL license" FACT: No they didn't.

"Many distros, the majority of major distros in fact, charge for the service of providing a distro. You seem to object to that. However, rather than say so directly, you invent and make all kinds of demonstrably false charges."

Assumptions again huh...ok i will play for a bit...
And charge, and charge, and charge... no I dont think others do that. And you never actually HAVE anything with linspire except the OS, all software is in a CNR warehouse. There is no value to linspire, ok very little value to linspire - IN MY OPINION! And I have numerous reasons why I feel that way and I will state them the same as you have your reasons and you state those. Please stop making me feel like I am slandering linspire becuase I state my opinions. My opinions have actual reasons behind them and I am not just ranting linspire sucks!

"If your complaint is with the "for profit" nature of Linspire distro, then say so honestly. And also explain why you are giving a pass to Red Hat, SUSE, Mandriva, JDS, etc. And stop the false accusations/statements."

not against "for profit", more against no value

"Linux has one shot at taking market share from Microsoft, and the best hope for bringing non-technical Windows users to Linux is Linspire. Do you support that goal or not?"

Well you just slammed every other distro out there. Basically you just said linspire rocks and everyone is is second class. Well mr.MyDistroIsTheBEstSHot sounds like you are doing exactly what you are accussing me of, doesnt it. In fact you even say only ONE shot and I guess you consider linspire it huh? So you never have to use the command line? So grub doesnt mess up the mbr occasionally? Boots fast huh? So CNR never runs into dependency errors? Thats right linspire is the same as every other distro out there so how you can claim it is somehow better than any of the others is beyond me! Stop claiming that part of the "added value" with linspire is that it is better than any other distro because it isnt.

As I have said linspire offers NO or very little value, most distros are easy to install, most are very easy to install packages on, all (that i can think of) offer extra cds with their packages on it - except linspire, most are at least pleasing to the eye, very few charge as much as linspire just to try it out... NOTE-i said to try it out so please no tangent about what each version of suse would cost if I bought it three years in a row or paid mepis for the top subscriptition or any of that silliness... i can already feel the subject change coming...

and you my friend are from NC!
noooo classsss to use a great cartoon line

I think I've already used enough time educating and correcting you, Jake.

You're going to have to manage by yourself for a while.

Thanks,

Peter

Well thank you for deciding to allow me to state my opinions since I have never even said you were wrong to state yours!

which insider is next on the list to "go flog jake"....

edit-already changed your post huh....

I am closing this thread. Jaketate - if you have an issue with the Linspire forums you need to take that issue back to the owners/moderators of said frums. LQ != Linspire Forums. YOu obviously have a deep seated problem the distro, I'd suggest that you refrain from posting about it or using it.

The GPL does not state that you have to provide a cd. As I read it, it says that you have to provide it in an available medium, ftp is used as the example. If you are unable to use ftp you need to request it be provided on a different medium.

Yes, as a private company, Linspire could close within 12 months. Equally, within 12 months you could stop trolling Linspire threads.

The original question is answered, all else here is rubbish. Closed.