You can't get rid of crazy people by stripping away ideas. It is a twist of imagination to think that censoring ideas could do that, just as it is to think by putting a lot of cameras in cities you can create a perfectly safe world. It just does not work that way.

"Was Trump right about hydroxychloroquine all along? New study shows drug touted by former president can increase COVID survival rates by 200%
A study on 255 patients was done by St Barnabas Medical Center in New Jersey
The resulting report, out May 31, found hydroxychloroquine to be effective
The drug, when used in a high dose and with zinc, increased survival rates
The authors found it was only helpful in severe cases of COVID-19"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...early-200.html

"Observational Study on 255 Mechanically Ventilated Covid Patients at the Beginning of the USA Pandemic"
"Results By discharge or Day 90, 78.2% of the cohort expired. The most common pre-existing conditions were hypertension, (63.5%), diabetes (59.2%) and obesity (50.4%). Age correlated with death. Comorbidities and clinical status on presentation were not predictive of outcome. Admission markers of inflammation were universally elevated (>96%). The cohort’s weight range was nearly 7-fold. Causal modeling establishes that weight-adjusted HCQ and AZM therapy improves survival by over 100%."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21258012v1

Trump is an illiterate.

One observational study of 255 patients that has not be peer reviewed versus 14 studies conducted around the world of more then 8000 patients that found no benefit.

https://www.cochrane.org/news/chloro...ting-infection

Simply understand this: These are not "vaccines!"

These are, instead, "exotic, genetic engineering therapies (sic ...)" which have never before been used on human beings, and which have never passed any clinical trials. In fact, they caused many rather-gruesome deaths among laboratory animals, apparently caused by autoimmune reactions. They have also directly lead to the deaths of more than 5,000 humans, and have caused grievous injuries in over 100,000 more. (None of them nor their families will be allowed to file suit.)

However ... they have also produced more than nineteen new billionaires. So, I guess that it's most important to keep "important" things in perspective.

I remember you posting the same misinformation in another thread/post and it all was debunked there too. The only thing true about your post is that families can not sue but there is a federal fund that provides some monies to their families.

Yes, they are vaccines. Both Pfizer and Moderna have filed for full FDA approval. MNRA research has been ongoing since SARS2.
Yes, they were tests on animals in parallel with phase 1 tests. I have no idea where you read there were gruesome deaths. I can only guess...
Yes, some where around 40,000 people were involved with phase 3 trials. To speed up the trial they were exposed to COVID on purpose versus just trying to get it "naturally"
Out of the 285 million shots given in the US as of May the vaccine emergency response hotline received somewhere around 4000 calls regardless of the severity or if the response was even related to the vaccine. No exact correlation was found to the vaccine except for J&J for woman under 50 for clouting. Not sure where I read/heard this but serious reactions is somewhere around 1 per 2.5 million doses. Regardless, statistics suck if you happen to be that 1 in a million person...

Let me sum up global development of the last half year or so:
+1 for vaccination, -1 for the Orange Baby.

mjolnir resurrected this thread (and stressful memories) from last autumn's election.
It was a good, important discussion alround (there was another even longer thread iirc), but now it's done.
Not saying it's over though, people in the US will have to make sure in the next couple elections or so. Stay vigilant.

Hopefully it was a good learning experience, empowering people to better recognize (in)competency in politicians.

I posted here because of the 3 threads with mentions of hydroxychloroquine in 'General' this is the only one that hasn't been locked because of people's inability to have a civil discussion.
@michaelk I was unable to unlock the full study but the abstract is full of 'uncertainties.'
· probably did not affect how many people needed mechanical ventilation (3 studies; 4521 people);

· may not affect how many people still tested positive for the virus after 14 days (3 studies; 213 people).

We are uncertain whether hydroxychloroquine affected the number of people whose symptoms improved after 28 days.

We are uncertain whether hydroxychloroquine affected how many people developed COVID‐19, or how many people were admitted to hospital with COVID‐19, compared with those receiving a placebo treatment (1 study; 821 people).

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr...cookiesEnabled

From the abstract it's hard to differentiate between studies of chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine (alone) or in combination with other drugs. Only once is there mention of hydroxychloroquine given with azithromycin which is the emphasis of the study I linked. Several (small) studies of the two, often in combination with zinc, give credence to the combination as being not a cure but prophylactic in treatment of covid.
From one of the authors of the study I linked: "Listen, I didn't expect to see these huge differences. But the fact that weight-adjusted HCQ dosing correlated with survival even stronger than cumulative dose is extremely strong evidence that HCQ/AZM were the cause of that difference. Younger pts were much heavier than older pts. Consequently, weight-adjusted HCQ cumulative dose shifted younger pts to a relatively lower dose and older pts to a relatively higher dose. That introduces a strong bias against weight-adjusted HCQ being associated with survival. Despite this bias, weight-adjusted HCQ cumulative dose was more strongly associated with survival than cumulative HCQ dose." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...ent-5407883468

"CDC plans "emergency meeting" on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccines"
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday that it will convene an "emergency meeting" of its advisers on June 18th to discuss rare but higher-than-expected reports of heart inflammation following doses of the mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines.


So far, the CDC has identified 226 reports that might meet the agency's "working case definition" of myocarditis and pericarditis following the shots, the agency disclosed Thursday. The vast majority have recovered, but 41 had ongoing symptoms, 15 are still hospitalized, and 3 are in the intensive care unit." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...-inflammation/

In Israel, of 5 million who received the Pfizer vaccine, 62 developed myocarditis. That's hardly something to panic about, even if there was a causal link. Every medical treatment will have side effects in some people — read the leaflets that come with any drugs you have in your home and prepare to be frightened!

mRNA vaccines are not identical to old school vaccines because those old school types were more invasive and risky and less effective. Initially vaccines were simply contracting a (hopefully) weaker version of a disease. Some were literally just injected with a small sample of bodily fluid (usually blood) from an afflicted person on-the-mend. Much, much later lab grown live colonies of the virus itself was administered, and later again dead virus cells were the vaccines because that was sufficient for our immune systems to identify a hostile intruder. Now, with mRNA, instead of actual virus cells, live or dead, just the map of RNA is administered. It has been likened to "painting a clear target on virus cells" so that our immune systems can "fire at will".

So all you anti-vaxxer typed please do tell us all how it is that a map of a map, no virus cells of any kind at all, is likely to cause ANY bad reaction other than that of one's immune system shifting into "Intruder Alert!" high gear?.

American love polls. About how statistic works I suggest to read Stanislaw Lem novel "The investigation". And at the occasion also "His Master's Voice" - two of Lem's best novels.

FTFY.

And how come you don't have Ł on your keyboard???

Your quotation of my statement is not correct. I didn't post something like that. Junk food is now everywhere. On computer I don't use Polish. Lack of diacritic character looks ugly - but I can live with that. To improve my English language skills I everyday have contact with English: write, read, listen. Don't have neighbors I can talk to. All my computers run only on English.

That's what FTFY means.