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Old 09-21-2020, 01:57 PM   #61
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They are still repeating the lie that Trump did not condemn the white suprems at Charlottesville. He most certainly did.
True, but it was a few days later after his initial statement of there are good people on both sides. Recorded video, nothing the fake news media can lie about... It happens all the time, he will say something stupid one day then later either him or the press secretary when asked will deny, say you misunderstood or he was just joking. What bears responding to this statement his that Stephan Miller one of his advisors is an obvious white supremacist and that much of what he says about ruining the suburbs and other similar statements, something his base wants to hear but IMHO is more of Miller's agenda then anything.
 
Old 09-21-2020, 02:02 PM   #62
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I don't think that she deserves any respect at all. Alive or dead. She was a heinous criminal. She was an infanticide advocate that spent decades promoting violence against children, women and blacks.

She passed away "Peacefully" even though over 60 million human babies have been violently murdered in America due to abortion policies that Ginsburg helped advocate across the nation. Ginsburg refused to grant millions of children their own right to die peacefully, without medical violence being perpetrated against them, as she was a staunch advocate of partial birth abortions.

In partial birth abortions, a living human baby is partially birthed and then violently attacked by medical personnel who sever the child's spine with a scalpel, then proceed to harvest the baby's organs to be sold for profit, while planned parenthood officials laugh about wanting a Ferrari for it.

That is nothing more or less that human sacrifice to their pagan gods, and that is who Ginsburg was. Uncalled for you say? No, indelicate yes.

I've read several articles that said she is resting in peace now. What on earth would make you think that? I think that flames and screaming is probably more accurate.

And US Senators on the political left love this death cult. So the Dems will fight tooth and claw to stop Trump from getting another judge on the court. And the repubs are being hypocrites for doing the opposite of what they said about Garland, and they don't want to care for children after they are born anyway, such as with tax dollars.

How's that for addressing the real issues and giving real facts?
Whatever respect I held for your differing opinions just went "poof".
 
Old 09-21-2020, 02:54 PM   #63
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Just being hygiene and using best practices in your daily lives goes a long way as a preventative measure to getting sick. Most people don't do this. But now with social distancing you'll find that people are coming in less sick from all sorts of ailments or issues that you'd normally see. It's very much living your lives like writing good code.

The fact is there is little useful or truthful information about this whole pandemic saga. Only fools would line up for vaccines like donkeys without doing their own due diligence. But then not everyone is an expert at discerning information. And I assure you there are tonnes of all kinds of information. Not only do you have to be expertly good at discerning information, you then have to be an expert in the field of virology among other things. How much of this is can one realistically achieve? The government and social propaganda have shown to be totally out of their depths in practically every field by shutting down economies the world over. I'm personally dubious about the origins of the virus. Humanity has shown itself to be resilient to plagues and has survived a long time to the threat of biological contagions. Albeit natural contagions. 2020 would've been nothing particularly special. I think the institutions know jack about what's going on. Considering everyone was told to go home, how much research can you do at home. The fact they'll come up with a vaccine really inspires confidence.
 
Old 09-21-2020, 03:14 PM   #64
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For all those that say covid and 1918 flu pandemics have nothing in common.

https://www.history.com/news/1918-pa...alth-campaigns

https://theconversation.com/a-brief-...andemic-142959

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Old 09-21-2020, 03:27 PM   #65
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Please use non-AMP links!

https://www.history.com/news/1918-pa...alth-campaigns

https://theconversation.com/a-brief-...andemic-142959
 
Old 09-21-2020, 04:25 PM   #66
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That's the question that "we" are asking. And "they" are not listening to. And you graciously left out the part of both of them being old sex offenders.
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And then you might ask, "why aren't others running for office?" No sane person wants their name and family dragged through the sewer. The political climate is so poison that good honest people simply won't run. Only the hardest ideologues with a party machine helping them have a chance.
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No, Americans are spoiled, had the most of any people in history. And there is a reason for that, something drove that, and made that happen. It was not collectivism, where everyone labors and puts everything in to the pot, and an all powerful government gives out to each according to their need.
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Ronald Reagan came to office saying the scariest phrase in the english language is, "We are from the government and we are here to help." They have been successful in indoctrinating a whole generation of people into believing that government is a god and savior.
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My answer is. I know of no greater dividing factor in the United States of America, that divides black against white, parents against children, men against women, left against right, than the public school system and the political partisan media.
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Someone said that you are repeating alt right crap.
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Collectivism is communism and is has proven not to accomplish anything. As well as censorship has never succeeded in the end. Now I am certainly no communist; I believe in freedom and the way that entrepreneurship brings out the best in people. I also believe that equal opportunities makes a better society: when anyone is enabled to achieve anything anyone can try and realize their dream. And when more people succeed in doing that, everyone benefits in the end.

This does also mean that basic health care should be available to anyone, as well as education. This will never be cheap. However, cost cutting in health care is very much possible and I really don't understand why it is so damn expensive in the USA as compared to a lot of other countries.

Finally as far as I can see I need to agree with you about the political climate. For anyone who's adrenaline is already rushing, please bear with me.

Today, the New York Times (yes, I am a subscriber) e-mailed me an article (1) about QAnon. I don't believe the things those conspiracy theorists are making up, however the article goes like this:

"Like other dangerous ideas, the QAnon conspiracy is tricky to root out online. But it’s not impossible."

I mean.. dangerous ideas?? Since when is an idea dangerous in a functioning democracy? You could argue that these ideas have no ground whatsoever. You could systematically refute these ideas by being transparent all the way. Or you just could not care less and have a good laugh about these ideas as I tend to do.

Then it goes on:
"(Q, red.)Let me play devil’s advocate: If a small but growing number of people believe strongly in this conspiracy, even if we know it’s false, should Facebook try to stop it?

(A, red.)First, QAnon beliefs have been linked to real-world violence. Plus, Facebook says it wants a “healthy community.” Does it believe these conspiracies are a part of that?"


and it continues..

"(Q, red)How much blame does Facebook deserve for QAnon’s growth?

(A, red)When Facebook changed its focus to encourage people to gravitate to smaller, more intimate groups, it inadvertently created safe havens for people to discuss how to spread QAnon theories. Facebook needs to ask itself if it has a responsibility for fueling QAnon and think through the consequences of that."


BAM. When the need for suppressing ideas is questioned, the notion of freedom is demonized right here. And a company like Facebook is blamed and demonized for being a platform people use to communicate. This article is no impartial journalism, this is a communist pamphlet right there.

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(1) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/t...ook-qanon.html

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Old 09-21-2020, 05:18 PM   #67
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Where is the OP's question in the last few pages?
 
Old 09-21-2020, 05:27 PM   #68
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It got lost in the noise...

Since the administration has now indicated the vaccine will be available for the masses in April 2021 but I really expect more like June that by then hopefully it should be proven safe. I don't think we can really go back to being 100% life normal until then. Maybe by that time it will just disappear...
 
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Ummm

There is a vaccine.

It's for sale.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-...ly-11600610554

"The vaccines will be manufactured abroad and distributed world-wide from there as soon as November"


Or you can volunteer for a local made one. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...ovid-19-begins

"People 18 years of age and older who are interested in participating in this trial can visit https://www.coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org (link is external)or ClinicalTrials.gov"
 
Old 09-21-2020, 07:25 PM   #70
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I think I will wait...
 
Old 09-22-2020, 12:22 AM   #71
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Where is the OP's question in the last few pages?
Sorry I got carried away I am politically active in my region and I guess it shows.

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Old 09-22-2020, 05:44 AM   #72
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I don't think I'd be happy about having the Russian vaccine until it's been more widely used, since that is clearly the only real testing it's going to get. I'd prefer to wait for the Oxford one.

When it comes to anti-vax and QAnon propaganda, I agree with Hermani that we are on a slippery slope. It's rather easy to say that in a public health emergency, anti-vax propaganda shouldn't be allowed but then where do you draw the line? It's always dangerous to let the censors through the door. The real problem with Facebook is not that it doesn't censor (and ought to censor) people's posts, but that its whole business model encourages extremism by ensuring that people see on their page only opinions that they already agree with. That ensures that they stay longer on the page and are more likely to click on the ads, which allows FB to charge the advertisers more. But the by-product is a series of echo chambers that confirm people in their existing prejudices and encourage them to take them further. If we had a different economic model for social networking, there wouldn't be such a case for censorship.
 
Old 09-24-2020, 03:38 AM   #73
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We all already got the Russian vaccine, and can reportосторожно all safe withoutэто опасное вещество no worry эти русские могут сказать что угодно..
 
Old 09-24-2020, 05:53 AM   #74
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I heard today that the UK vaccine is going into "challenge trials". This means that a quite large group of young, healthy volunteers will get the vaccine and then be deliberately exposed to the coronavirus to see how many (if any) get sick. This is the equivalent of a normal phase 3 trial but much faster. It isn't normally done because of the obvious ethical concerns, but in this case they are allowing it under strict supervision because the alternatives for the country are so dire.

Apparently there is no shortage of volunteers.
 
Old 09-24-2020, 08:02 AM   #75
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I mean.. dangerous ideas?? Since when is an idea dangerous in a functioning democracy? You could argue that these ideas have no ground whatsoever. You could systematically refute these ideas by being transparent all the way. Or you just could not care less and have a good laugh about these ideas as I tend to do.
Most normal people you think would however,

Pizzagate
The murder of mafia leader Frank Cali,
A woman wanted to kill Joe Biden because she thought he was involved in a sex trafficking ring.
A train was derailed near San Pedro, California because someone thought the USNS Mercy was being used for some government takeover.
A man killed his brother because he thought he was a lizard. The man was mentally ill but had a fascination with QANON.
A Texas women attacked two strangers because she thought they were child predators.
That BLM protests are domestic terrorist organizations that need to be stopped.
Trump retweets qanon conspiracies as well as other GOP members.
 
  


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