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Old 09-04-2020, 12:05 PM   #1
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Question USA Today - 60% of U.S. voters say they won't try to get a coronavirus vaccine as soon as it becomes available and 25% say NEVER


== SOURCE ==

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ws/5696982002/
 
Old 09-04-2020, 12:19 PM   #2
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The article I'm looking at does not mention the 60% or 25%.

I got redirected to https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ws/5696982002/ where the relevant part says:
Quote:
“You probably need between 70 and 80% of the population to get immune in order to really control COVID," he said. "And when I say immune, I mean both get the vaccine and the vaccine worked for them."

The USA TODAY/Suffolk poll found that about two-thirds of the 1,000 voters surveyed – 67% – would either not take the vaccine until others have tried it (44%) or not take it at all (23%)

The other third of respondents were split between those who said they would take the vaccine as soon as it's available (27%) or those who were undecided (6%). Those 75 and older were by far the likeliest to say they will get the vaccine right away.
Those numbers :
* 27% Will take immediately
* 44% Will take after others have tried
* 23% Will not take at all
* 6% Undecided

So a more optimistic way of framing it would be to say that only 23% of the 1000 people surveyed say they wont take a vaccine.

 
Old 09-04-2020, 12:27 PM   #3
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Polls are polls, or opinion/statement stories, are also exactly that.

Too bad the writers (and especially weather persons) cannot be held accountable for eventual incorrect prognostications.

They do seem to hold the ROTW accountable.
 
Old 09-04-2020, 01:39 PM   #4
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Personally, I would be extremely worried about the vaccine having been pushed out without adequate testing.
 
Old 09-04-2020, 02:40 PM   #5
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Yes, they did that in 1980 with the swine flu. There were live viri in the vaccine, people caught swine flu from the vaccine and died from it. Older people as I recall.
 
Old 09-04-2020, 04:03 PM   #6
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Personally, I would be extremely worried about the vaccine having been pushed out without adequate testing.
So what would it take for you* to be satisfied a vaccine had gone through sufficient testing?


*happy to hear from anyone with same viewpoint, and also curious if there are differences between residents of US/UK/elsewhere.

 
Old 09-04-2020, 04:53 PM   #7
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Personally, I would be extremely worried about the vaccine having been pushed out without adequate testing.
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So what would it take for you* to be satisfied a vaccine had gone through sufficient testing?
You changed the most important word. I think you did it on purpose. I will never take you out of my ignore list.

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Old 09-04-2020, 05:02 PM   #8
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Poll results have to be taken with a grain of salt.
The results can be twisted in one direction or the other, depnnding on how the quesitons are worded and who is being polled.
In many, if not most, cases polls are being used to sway public opinion, not measure public opinion.
If you want to "report" most people polled favor one political party's view on a topic, you make sure the majority of the people polled are members of that party. Oh, didn't they mention that in the news story? No they didn't.
One should read the fine print, i.e., who conducted the poll, who commissioned the poll and who were polled.
OTOH, if the questions are completely neutual and the people polled are actually a valid cross section of the population, then the polls can be accurate. Sadly, that rarely happens anymore. The news media is,
as I said, using polls to create "news," not report real "news."

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Old 09-04-2020, 05:38 PM   #9
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You changed the most important word. I think you did it on purpose. I will never take you out of my ignore list.
O_o

I wrote "a" purely because I thought there were three candidates being developed.

I did a search and, as of 3rd September, the WHO lists "34 candidate vaccines in clinical evaluation" and "142 candidate vaccines in preclinical evaluation" - didn't realise there were so many different ways to skin a virus, unless they're just showing duplicated efforts across different locations. :/

 
Old 09-04-2020, 08:14 PM   #10
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You changed the most important word. I think you did it on purpose. I will never take you out of my ignore list.
Honestly confused why you think "a vaccine" vs "the vaccine" is important here? The article uses both phrases interchangeably.

Quote:
Two-thirds of U.S. voters say they won't try to get a coronavirus vaccine [...]

The USA TODAY/Suffolk poll found that about two-thirds of the 1,000 voters surveyed – 67% – would either not take the vaccine until others have tried it (44%) or not take it at all (23%)
 
Old 09-04-2020, 09:23 PM   #11
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They are using various vaccines all over the world right now. An article said a lot of educated people with access to various items are making home made cures already.

Will covid-19 ever go away even if everyone gets a good vaccine?? Who knows.

My 91 year old mother has never taken any shots for any disease and claims to never get sick. I've never seen her sick... who knows. Maybe people have a right to decide.
 
Old 09-04-2020, 09:35 PM   #12
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23% Will not take at all
44% Will take after others have tried
The CDC now knows that of all people in the US who died from covid, 94% where not healthy to start with and had other comorbidity factors. 6% were healthy. I am not suggesting that their lives didn't matter. If they weren't sick to start with, 94% would not have died. That does not mean that covid didn't kill them, they could have had high blood pressure and diabetes and lived with it for more years.

Influenza kills people like that, which are weaker and sicker to start with.

What's the point? The average healthy person is not dropping dead with covid. Entire economies were almost destroyed over this. It's going to take years to recover. I would like to see them get the vaccine right, and not kill people with the vaccine, like they did in 1980. Just because your M.D. says so, does not automatically make it so.

And those are the times in which we live.
 
Old 09-04-2020, 09:45 PM   #13
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I'm old enough to remember images on my television of children in iron lungs due to polio (once you have seen them, you cannot unsee them). Then along came the Salk and Sabin vaccines, and those images, and polio, soon faded away.

I also remember my mother and father confined to bed with mumps, which is a much more serious disease for adults than for children. I wish they had had the benefit of a mumps vaccine, but they did not. Fortunately, they recovered, but it was far more serious than I--I had not even started school at the time--realized.

Vaccines work. They are not perfect, but they do tremendously more good than harm.

At the same time, given that here in the U. S., COVID-19 seems to have been seized on by some as a political wedge issue, rather than a health care issue, I plan to be cautious about seeking vaccination. I want any vaccine I take to be thoroughly vetted by trustworthy sources.

That reminds me, I need to get my flu shot . . . .

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Old 09-04-2020, 09:50 PM   #14
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Without seeing the article I assume we are talking about treatments versus a cure since there is none. Since most people only experience a mild illness the "cure" is actually relieving symptoms just like the flu.

It depends on how long the vaccine lasts. Just like the flu I don't think it will ever go away but in a similar fashion a flu shot protects you from transmitting the disease to other people and gives us that herd immunity. With the increasingly number of people that don't trust vaccines (I have some in my family...) and distrust that it may not be a safe as others being fast tracked ( warp speed ) it may be several years if ever.
 
Old 09-05-2020, 06:09 AM   #15
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Only yesterday I heard on the news that the Trump administration is intent on pushing out "The" vaccine before the election at all cost.
That would make me skeptical, too.

Clearly the poll's timing is opportune.

Hey, is this the first in a row of long pre- mid- and post- US election political discussions?
It was getting a bit quiet on that front here on LQ!

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