The Faith & Religion mega Thread

i can be religious now ... what a relieve after such a long time ...

thats freedom also ...



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DUDE , yet another G.O.D thread ...well where am i supposed to start?
hmmmmm....how about a short story?! it won't hurt i suppose.

.....SO the other day i was checking out the net ( i think it's was even this site) when I found some dude with a really weird ...ah..
i mean a "too self confident" statement posted in his sig.

it said something like this:

Evolution is a lie , Creation is a Truth Believe in hell Don't be a Foul!

and what shall i say about that , WOW that's a hell of confidence ! YEaH! XD
Unfortunately it's a confidence in the wrong place , at least.

To be honest i find this example rather amazing about how extremely naive some folks can be to consider something that Has SO MUCH scientific evidence behind it
as a "Lie" and then just throw it in the trash bin like that , don't you find that amazing as well?

To another topic still connected to this "faith" discussion:

Did you people know that Anthon Szandor Lavey(R.I.P) The Founder of the church of satan didn't actually "believe" in anything called "Satan" , "God" , "Heaven" or even "Hell"??

On the contrary , he is basically an interesting philosopher of Atheism
that was a discovery i made some years ago.

you can google about that if you want

P.S: no I'm not connected to them.

Cheers

>> "Did you people know that Anthon Szandor Lavey(R.I.P) The Founder of the church of satan didn't actually "believe" in anything called "Satan" , "God" , "Heaven" or even "Hell"??"

i'm not sure about who and what is that ... but concerning "satan didn't actually "believe" in anything called "Satan" , "God" , "Heaven" or even "Hell"" ... you have to let people see those in "tangible" concrete forms ... that can actually be good ...

its also an art by mankind ...



//btw , probably a bit "nagging" but i have to say that all the while i dont actually believe there is such thing as atheism ...



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I dont know why people compare Science with religion.

Science will never replace religion, it has always co-existed with religion and infact aids in its evolution.
Does the church have the guts to shun technology in order to prove evolution wrong?

Came across this:

http://www.nearingzero.net/screen_res/nz004.jpg

Being from the West of Scotland and now living in the Republic of Ireland as well as supporting the wrong football team for my current locale (the question "What team do you support?" is the commonest one I have encountered, most of the time it being asked in good humour) I am a firm agnostic believer (especially in the pub or when alcohol is around) even though I truly am, no seriously I am !

I find that there is no point in asking either a religious person about god or an atheist. I prefer agnostics, which I voted for because there really is no real definite answer. "There is a god" Oh, really? Who says so, your 2000+ year old book that is written by some guy in a desert? I have yet to be contacted by anyone on the other side to tell me clearly.

All I can say is that there is no real way anyone can be sure until they die. If there is, great, if there isn't great, you haven't really lost anything. I myself am inclined to demand more proof. I refuse to just suddenly believe that there is an omnipotent being that created man, just because some dated book tells me so.

Perhaps religion has played its role in the world, and it is now the time for it to be phased out. I again attribute to progress. Humankind's progress has been held back by religion.

Karl Marx was 100% right in saying that 'religion is an opiate of the people'. Thats all it is, nothing more.

Firm believer, Pagan (Druidism). To be more specific.

actually religions(or religious stuffs) are order out of choas and untidiness for mankind ...

>> "Karl Marx was 100% right in saying that 'religion is an opiate of the people'. Thats all it is, nothing more."

thats out-dated already by now ... and infact by right and right now he shouldnt be afraid(or most probably he is not afraid of it at all) of that anymore ...



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Agnostic. And voted correspondingly. If there's God, He must be way beyond human comprehension in any respect, and so beyond any description given by comntemporary religions.
I don't believe that science can give a complete and comprehensive description of the world either.
Like I said, I'm an agnostic.

Originally Posted by alred thats out-dated already by now ...

Says who? Marxism is alive and well, people these days are less and less going to (insert religious building here). I can't even remember the last time I even went to church. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything at all.

Religion has played it's role in the world, but is now becoming more and more sidelined as it should be.

I'm born and raised Catholic. There were times when I totally gave up my faith. There were times when I tried to find answers within other religions, there were times I tried to find answer through science, even times I've tried to find the answers I seek by myself.

I've been a very troubled person the last years and now I back to my roots and faith. I've finally found peace through religion. I just don't think science will ever be able to answer all the questions we all (or at least I) would like answered.

I think I will loose some points to quote this (from South Park Episode 12 Season 10 - Go God Go). Stan said:

"Couldn't evolution be the answer to how and not the answer to why?"

Religion is important. Pure and simple abstraction between cause and effect.
Like Jeebizz, I used to think that religion is unnecesary,
but some things made me realize otherways.

Even science is misinterpreted, people behave as expected when told 'Cleanliness is next to Godliness' ( mother says so and I have heard the same in other languages); They will take a bath or two daily. But tell them about germs, and they turn maniacal dousing everything with antiseptics.

According to my understanding, religion is created to regulate and coordinate people's actions by people who indeed are more intelligent than the masses.

Thus religion functions as somewhat of a frontend for science, with different frontends contending for the same market.

For men of science like myself, we are pretty content with messing with the backend.

>> "Says who? Marxism is alive and well, people these days are less and less going to (insert religious building here). I can't even remember the last time I even went to church. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything at all."

actually say me ... and infact you are actually quite correct as "science" people shouldnt feel like they are missing out on anything at all ... and they also shouldnt be not missing out anything , they are suppose to be like that no matter what ...

as for "cleanliness and hygiene" things(can forget about pills) ... spaces just need to be really brighten up a bit ... then people wont be too lazy going home(or where their home is) ... if not , when people start believing in "sticking tongue onto hot blades" and stop praying altogether , then i can only see their hopelessness ... note that they are not actually helpless ...

probably certain kind of people(people with "high" talks) are the one who are actually feel helpless and for some reasons seems still lying low ... i donno what are they afraid of ... afraid of the hopelessness of the people ... ?? or they might just as well migrate to somewhere else "better" -- actually means they dont have to do anything at all , just live "properly" and thats it ...

what make it worse is that many of them if somethings going on back home -- "as if got their problem , like they are so busy suddenly ..." ...




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Ok, just read through the thread.

not going to address any of the comments, I am going to offer something else entirely.

Zeitgeist torrent for the freely downloadable xvid encoded avi of 700 MB.
Part 1 of the three part movie directly applies to the subject of many of the comments in this thread. It may be controversial. << warning given, don't bother watching if you have a closed mind about Christianity's origins.

The movie was produced to get people to be more critical about what is being fed to them by anyone.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm << to download the torrent from their site

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ << to watch the whole 700 MB as a streamed video

Only the first part addresses religion, the other two parts are politics and international banking.

To keep this thread civil, I'll post a new thread where people can rant about what the movie says. [ and hope that the moderators will allow the heated discussion it will quite likely engender. ]