The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Do we have Nature figured out? Not only No! but Not even close!..... BUT do we have some things really well figured out? Oh yeah! One of the reasons that Mathematics is the language of Science is that, much like Evolution, it can operate and in fact evolved from the most simple terms possible and still functions there perfectly but over time and research it can also deal with the most complex issues of which we even have an inkling.

Consider that no amount of new data can ever refute 1 = 1, 1 + 1 = 2, or that the sum of all the angles of a plane triangle = 180 degrees. Now we can take that plane triangle and place it in 3 dimensional curved space and those rules change, morph to fit the new environment in which they apply across the board but that in no way affects the validity of Plane Geometry.

Similarly there could be some major and unimaginable breakthrough that will reveal an even more fundamental process than DNA and Evolution, one reason finding ET is so important, BUT that cannot alter the fundamentals we have learned to be true for over 150 years of Future Shock, the gathering impetus of changing technology. Consider that more new knowledge was discovered in 2017, in one year, than in anywhere from 100 to 6,000 years previously.

Here's some astounding data for your consideration

Originally Posted by [URL="http://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/3950" Industry Tap [/URL] Knowledge Doubling Curve Buckminster Fuller created the “Knowledge Doubling Curve”; he noticed that until 1900 human knowledge doubled approximately every century. By the end of World War II knowledge was doubling every 25 years. Today things are not as simple as different types of knowledge have different rates of growth. For example, nanotechnology knowledge is doubling every two years and clinical knowledge every 18 months. But on average human knowledge is doubling every 13 months. According to IBM, the build out of the “internet of things” will lead to the doubling of knowledge every 12 hours.

This is the environment that can chew up old Sacred Cows for a light snack and 150 years of it has not faulted Evolution. Simply put, you cannot compare ridiculous concepts like Flat Earth that never had any scientific backing and stood for a time until Science finally, physically proved the idea had no basis in fact. For someone today to assume that Evolution will fall just like Flat Earth is patently dismissive and ignorant of the realities. Will it be revised? Of course. That's what Science does - continually refine. Will it be fundamentally refuted? Hell No!

If "they'd" let us play ""god"" we whold and am sure we do behind closed doors, no pun,,, oh la la...

As I've said before, I think that I see constraints in the process of "species evolution," which basically has it constrained to "species." The transformations of the genome, randomly-occurring or not, are neither arbitrary nor excessive. The life forms that reproduce, mutant or not, are still viable.

Although we can ply the rules of Scientific Philosophy, and hypothesize about larger and more sweeping changes "without apparent contradiction," my intuition still says to me that there is something else out there that we just don't yet know. There is another process.

As I've said before, I think that I see constraints in the process of "species evolution," which basically has it constrained to "species." The transformations of the genome, randomly-occurring or not, are neither arbitrary nor excessive. The life forms that reproduce, mutant or not, are still viable.

Although we can ply the rules of Scientific Philosophy, and hypothesize about larger and more sweeping changes "without apparent contradiction" by hypothesizing "Evolution alone," my intuition still says to me that there is something else out there that we just don't yet know. There is another process: something that can produce a profound diversity of life that is still viable, and yet, that will thereafter reproduce only "after its own kind," subject once-again to the biologic error-correcting mechanisms that we know to be in place. Maybe we can't glimmer what sort of process it is, but my intuition tells me that it's there.

I predict that "species Evolution" needs its constraints in order to limit the amount of "noise" that might otherwise enter – avoiding otherwise-catastrophic possible results. Meanwhile, this unidentified process injects (vast!) diversity ... and yet, is also somehow constrained.

we really shouldn't want credit cause it's cold out

This discussion is repeating itself in circles. Noone will ever find truth about God without actually seeking that truth for themselves or others or both. Kinda like item or object in life - talk about it in rumors all you want but unless you actually go and get it you will not know what it actually is and how it works.

I came to the conclusion many years ago that arguments seldom if ever persuade people to change their minds on matters that they care about deeply. When people argue, each tends to see his or her own arguments as overwhelmingly persuasive and the other party's as weak and unconvincing. Both go away convinced that they are right, and each is amazed that the other was not converted by arguments so strong when the counter-arguments were so poor.

Arcane, I agree with you that this topic is without end but not for the reasons you apparently think. Maybe it is true for some. Maybe some will find Faith just by the seeking and I won't attempt to speak for anyone else, but that simply is untrue for me. I suspect it is also true for others but that is just speculation. I have read most of the Christian Bible (although in English, not the original Greek or Hebrew) was raised in a Catholic family, attended Catechism class every week for many years, and was finally Confirmed, at least in the formal Catholic sense of that word, since the last few years of formal classes I completed primarily to please my parents. Later, I researched several other religions.

From my very earliest years I needed objective evidence and not only was there none, but I soon learned none was possible, at the very least until we die. This led me to the conclusion that whether or not there was some Creator or not had no bearing whatsoever on how I live my life. I simply cannot conceive of an entity capable of creating this Universe and more directly, cannot accept that such an entity needs/requires/desires worship and devotion, especially with no evidence possible or why would we even have Reason?

Also I found that contrary to what religious people often assume, I didn't need a Creator or a Heaven and Hell to have moral principles. Those simply make good sense and have actual evidence that life is better with principles than without.

The fact that there have been so many religions, even if we don't count the differences between one individual's spirituality and another's, is evidence that even if fundamentally true, humans often get it wrong. So why have it if it is so prone to error, adds nothing of importance to a human life and most importantly, can corrupt one's commitment to logic and reason?

Originally Posted by Stevie Wonder - Superstition When you believe in things that you don't understand Then you suffer Superstition ain't the way

you are what you're taught to be that's why there's rapists!

Better than we are what we're taught, we are what we're born into... many are taught diddley.

And then, if their told by common sense they can't teach something they go and form their own schools of varying opinions... 1 + 1 = 2 is not brainwashing.

While religions are opinions at least we all don't have one * thank everything for that!

Originally Posted by enorbet Do we have Nature figured out? Not only No! but Not even close!..... BUT do we have some things really well figured out? Oh yeah! One of the reasons that Mathematics is the language of Science is that, much like Evolution, it can operate and in fact evolved from the most simple terms possible and still functions there perfectly but over time and research it can also deal with the most complex issues of which we even have an inkling. Consider that no amount of new data can ever refute 1 = 1, 1 + 1 = 2, or that the sum of all the angles of a plane triangle = 180 degrees. Now we can take that plane triangle and place it in 3 dimensional curved space and those rules change, morph to fit the new environment in which they apply across the board but that in no way affects the validity of Plane Geometry. Similarly there could be some major and unimaginable breakthrough that will reveal an even more fundamental process than DNA and Evolution, one reason finding ET is so important, BUT that cannot alter the fundamentals we have learned to be true for over 150 years of Future Shock, the gathering impetus of changing technology. Consider that more new knowledge was discovered in 2017, in one year, than in anywhere from 100 to 6,000 years previously. Here's some astounding data for your consideration This is the environment that can chew up old Sacred Cows for a light snack and 150 years of it has not faulted Evolution. Simply put, you cannot compare ridiculous concepts like Flat Earth that never had any scientific backing and stood for a time until Science finally, physically proved the idea had no basis in fact. For someone today to assume that Evolution will fall just like Flat Earth is patently dismissive and ignorant of the realities. Will it be revised? Of course. That's what Science does - continually refine. Will it be fundamentally refuted? Hell No!

One of the reasons that Mathematics is the language of Science is that, much like Evolution,

Such a poor reasoning.
Mathematics is a pure science.
Evolution is just a drunkman's theory which is continually disproved by recent evidence.
How dare you claim saying "much like Evolution" !?
In logic it is a non-sequitur. I am sorry. Here and there Enorbet bubbles out nothing but words and falacies. I am tried of following this thread. I am sorry.

Math has as many unprovables as evolution just like they have there proofs! What's (some) religion(s) got: "don't throw stones,,," no sh!t‽

Tho the hypocrisy of don't pray to false idols while in a house full of them throws more than any "in gods you trust and swear..." HEATHENS!


We can decide what owners we work for but normally don't vote for our boss, do the people own the world or the bosses; a vote to dicide makes sense a vote for a person never will... yous lead we'll be over there.