The All New Linux vs Windows MegaSuperThread

MrCode · 05-13-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cantab

I find it interesting that the EU has fined Microsoft for doing what almost all GNU/Linux distributions do - bundling one web browser and one media player with the OS.

As I understand it, it was more than just that. It was because Windows makes it excessively hard (actually impossible, I think) to completely remove IE. With GNU/Linux, you can have a system without a web browser at all, or even a GUI for that matter. Under Windows, IE is always present (e.g. in the Explorer shell).

cantab · 05-13-2010, 10:16 AM

I know Microsoft claimed IE was too strongly integrated into some versions of Windows (like 98) for it to be removed, but third parties proved those claims to be false.

mudangel · 05-13-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrCode

As I understand it, it was more than just that. It was because Windows makes it excessively hard (actually impossible, I think) to completely remove IE. With GNU/Linux, you can have a system without a web browser at all, or even a GUI for that matter. Under Windows, IE is always present (e.g. in the Explorer shell).

Another point there for Linux- you get a choice wrt desktop environment(or window manager, or neither) and applications. That alone makes it a better choice(for some of us, anyway) than Windows.

lupusarcanus · 05-13-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by leopard

#! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft <<

#! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010801352.html <<

#! http://www.dailytech.com/Microsofts+...ticle17966.htm <<

#! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...mpetition_case <<

#! http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/ <<

#! http://download.microsoft.com/Docume...6c67c0d949.pdf <<

#! http://www.linuxquestions.org/ <<

Windows is a 32-bit extension of a 16-bit graphical shell of an 8-bit operating system coded for a 4-bit processor by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.

*The washington post link was M$'s links to the NSA.
*(You can take a look at that one now)

cantab · 05-13-2010, 11:41 AM

Well the same goes for Linux. SELinux was first developed at the NSA.
At least with Free Software, anyone can look for backdoors. But would they find them? Also, in the real world the majority of GNU/Linux users use binaries. What's to stop the NSA having done a deal with Red Hat and SuSE to put a backdoor in the kernels or daemons they ship? And indeed Novell has confirmed they work with government agencies.

smeezekitty · 05-13-2010, 11:52 AM

Then dont use SUSE.

dv502 · 05-13-2010, 11:55 AM

SElinux is not enabled by default. It is an option. Some distros like fedora 12 has selinux enabled by default of course.

How do I find out if SELinux is enabled on my system?

Run the sestatus command to find out the current status of SELinux. SELinux can be in three different modes

* Enabled: SELinux is enabled and SELinux policy is enforced
* Disabled: SELinux is disabled and has no effect on your system
* Permissive: SELinux is enabled but but merely logs warnings instead of enforcing access. This mode is useful for troubleshooting.

smeezekitty · 05-13-2010, 11:56 AM

Never used fedora.

Mr-Bisquit · 05-13-2010, 01:01 PM

Do you use Jimmy Hat?

mattvdh · 05-13-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn

So am I, that deliberately blithering idiot. I enjoy the humor he has spread onto these forums by hating Linux. ROTFLMAO, I really have fun ridiculing his deliberate stupidity. Keep it up, Matt!

finally someone gets it!

mattvdh · 05-13-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smeezekitty

I think mattdvh is a trolling noob.

noob!? I'm insulted, I'm a seasoned veteran! lol

Mr-Bisquit · 05-13-2010, 01:23 PM

Would that be Mrs. Dash or McCormick's?

mattvdh · 05-13-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by exvor

Really. Well Microsoft is even disagreeing with you here mattvdh. They have for the last few years been trying to remove as much gui reliance as possible from there enterprise systems.

Microsoft server CORE from wikipedia
Windows Server 2008 includes a variation of installation called Server Core. Server Core is a significantly scaled-back installation where no Windows Explorer shell is installed. All configuration and maintenance is done entirely through command line interface windows, or by connecting to the machine remotely using Microsoft Management Console. However, Notepad and some control panel applets, such as Regional Settings, are available

You sir have been how we say pwned in the tech world.

Please know more about a subject before you attempt to use limited knowledge to defend it. Windows has seen the light so to speak, that everything gui is not such a good idea and there developers have been trying to untangle the code mess that is windows these days to remove gui reliance. They are in essence trying to make it more Linux like since there business customers keep asking for a scaled down version of windows without all the gui flair.

riiiiight...scaling down doesn't necessarily translate in to a more powerful environment.

mattvdh · 05-13-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by schneidz

again, 50 % of server market seems really high.
a quick google:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Marke...-1-89071.shtml

Those are stats related to clustering/supercomputing, I was referring to standard server types such as file/print/dhcp/dns etc. MS has about 50% of THAT market.

smeezekitty · 05-13-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mattvdh

Those are stats related to clustering/supercomputing, I was referring to standard server types such as file/print/dhcp/dns etc. MS has about 50% of THAT market.

Maybe so but that still leaves alot of room for linux.